From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: ESC vs Meta for shifted keys Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:54:04 -0600 Message-ID: <20180411131107072594795@bob.proulx.com> References: <87d0z71985.fsf@gmail.com> <20180410164730086770438@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523476431 477 195.159.176.226 (11 Apr 2018 19:53:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 19:53:51 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 11 21:53:47 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6LoR-0008U1-5o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:53:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52903 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6LqX-00073k-Je for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:55:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43113) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Lop-0006BM-0s for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:54:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Lok-0004B8-4h for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:54:11 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:57824) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6Loj-00048d-V6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 15:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6DC236C for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6322B2123E for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A3F02DC74; Wed, 11 Apr 2018 13:54:04 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:116469 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The ESC <-> Meta equivalence only holds for characters, not for > >> "special keys" such as `left`, indeed. Not sure why. > > > It seems to work for me. Using C-h c to describe keys in both a > > terminal and a graphical emacs shows: > > > > ESC (translated from ESC M-O D) runs the command backward-word > > runs the command left-word > > In which sense does it work for you? The above shows clearly that > `M-left` and `ESC left` aren't treated identically. It works for me because they perform the same result. M-left and ESC left both move the point left a word. M-right and ESC right both move the point right a word. I also pointed out that they were bound to different function but I think I adequately explained why they were bound to slightly different functions. That is in order to support Shift Selection. (A feature that I never use by the way...) Bob