From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: info-find-source Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:14:39 +0100 Message-ID: <20180113121439.GC19072@tuxteam.de> References: <86po6eke67.fsf@zoho.com> <86inc6kbyb.fsf@zoho.com> <867esmk28h.fsf@zoho.com> <20180113074636.GB11417@tuxteam.de> <871siudvrv.fsf@mbork.pl> <83shba183l.fsf@gnu.org> <20180113113633.GB19072@tuxteam.de> <83k1wm0y0y.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515845600 26893 195.159.176.226 (13 Jan 2018 12:13:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:13:20 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 13 13:13:16 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eaKgW-0006ZC-7y for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:13:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33609 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaKiU-0003lm-JI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:15:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48592) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaKhw-0003lB-OW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:14:45 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaKht-0001We-He for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:14:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:48816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eaKht-0001Vs-78 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:14:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=20171004; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=RNaMFVOO9C4STIHGlDbagNLATTWTPp7GSZGKciDeOSo=; b=BN+N/g7UUAfPVDcKzN2zMH3jeLukdTfdHOpYKPyTpsCdMpUgBPmI+pNnqB9XJDmifxTNalHOsojMPo9568/JaZPzP5MqUDAMN4r2hoHwl7m0UadUqmIzoFMuUgcEX5SIHAsMqXTlCzoM+zxSqkqZdu8rxHmKtra9D/g2Sa44GkeoGwzcskU+zyyHVF+aLEpMl9kfufq8amtYkTkskYFiihnFWtUR6XJLPupbR9IFJfabusWbf0+zf9gYp4K7PPgyjdGlNXqelpWBxIje4kLcpFnVhsSE+TmM7RZkXLWj4Mfc0tJdR1GCtUVghh1P91D2iGXbQldwOHfnkbViWgF1Og==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1eaKhr-0005NX-Rl for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:14:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83k1wm0y0y.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:115691 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 01:59:57PM +0200, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2018 12:36:33 +0100 > > From: > > > > Yes, Eli, "breadcrumbs" are there, as in "where am I, relative to > > root", but not so much as in "how on Earth I arrived here". > > Does 'L' do what you want? (Note: upper-case L.) This one is nice, thank you! (it's like receiving an unexpected Christmas present) > And breadcrumbs are not only a way of telling where you are in the > tree, it is also a means of jumping several levels up in one go, by > clicking on them. Yes, I guessed that (but the keybindings on Info are so quick that for us keyboard junkies, a quick thrice-u does it). I was rather trying to understand and interpret Emanuel's unease, and to think more philosophically about the Emacs whereabouts. And yes, in some ways, Emacs and the landscape around is sometimes lacking in discoverability. This is somewhat of a paradox, since Emacs is at the same time the most discoverable software I know of (and has ever been), but there you go. To be fair, it has done impressive strides the last ~10 years in this department. Cheers - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlpZ+C8ACgkQBcgs9XrR2ka6CwCeO0I1YsvnXfual8fmwDTzU5EF 74QAniyM1SSTN/auuDfcEy1nwJLIEEcw =d+u7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----