From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: want a file format easily edited and read by emacs that allows (multiple) pictures to be included Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:00:12 +0100 Message-ID: <20171205140012.GC32589@tuxteam.de> References: <20171204221250.GF1723@tuxteam.de> <86o9nddd7i.fsf@zoho.com> <20171205080817.GA21102@tuxteam.de> <86vahlbmh1.fsf@zoho.com> <20171205085318.GA22742@tuxteam.de> <86mv2xbj4q.fsf@zoho.com> <20171205100343.GD22742@tuxteam.de> <86efo9bec7.fsf@zoho.com> <20171205115116.GJ22742@tuxteam.de> <861sk9b87p.fsf@zoho.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1512482468 3817 195.159.176.226 (5 Dec 2017 14:01:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:01:08 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 05 15:01:01 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eMDmO-0000XJ-1r for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:01:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48997 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMDmT-0000Xo-G7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:01:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56251) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMDlm-0000Wg-GD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:00:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMDli-0006a5-Gq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:00:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:48161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eMDli-0006Xt-6Y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 09:00:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tuxteam.de; s=20171004; h=From:In-Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:Date; bh=waequ4eBbS9Znsqf6PtwkyunGS7IkYAfyGfIuMvnn6I=; b=OfTZQcZTRGW1wWkwUTYZ8ehil4WWlcRfy5kx4jkrnZ4UKL4o85f1R4DPaWQKtw1hVyepmX9F0+s14DphucNHcZlNExkIiMG3wfsR5oq7KYwkNWfRLdKya2hFoHO8WvZDCIcqvIyXxVBBZZ9nRq42nBowUYnCgC4lfUktGTKcOS26TyZSrkrd6JKwtrWzJZPrCvh+XdXxiCkUu2WWjS6i54bwxMFO6JmNNPatEL6RDyoUYwuUcFWFJg5OIVDTJOuCtqJN6hbt/j922tFsnuZz+L3c4bTmSLdh2P5buMeD+eyTk+c6aBqUxgfJwyOgqk6RB8xTrTnURP9eYgvxNJcLKg==; Original-Received: from tomas by mail.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1eMDlc-0000L3-Cd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Dec 2017 15:00:12 +0100 In-Reply-To: <861sk9b87p.fsf@zoho.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:115223 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:44:10PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote: > tomás wrote: > > >> So it *is* a tool, an IDE if you will, to > >> generate data into different formats. OK, no > >> further questions. > > > > It's more... and less. For example I have > > a diary where I keep the things I've done > > I would just use a plain text buffer for that. > > >> PS. No wonder it was so difficult to find an > >> example what good actually ever came out of > >> it :) > > > > No. It's because you seem to be blind on some > > eye. That may be just because you don't miss > > what Org might bring to you, and that would > > be OK. > > I have yet to see the one thing it can do for > me that I don't already have. If it can glue > plain text, HTML, LaTeX/PDF and more together, > and provide tools and shortcuts to produce and > convert between formats, this is what I would > call an IDE Note that if you are *just* into converting between formats, there are other, better tools (pandoc comes to mind; I think the Org exporters sometimes use it as a backend, but I might be wrong). > and I'm not into that as I've yet > to see such a system that does not reduce the > degree of precision and intimacy with which > I can solve such issues directly by > manipulating the material first hand. All such > in-between layers, in my experience, only makes > for fiddling with the IDE, trying to figure out > how to make it do what you want, instead of > fiddling with the material itself which is the > thing and the activity that appeals to me. The interesting thing about Org is that it is pretty lightweight. Its native format is sufficiently near to plain text that you can decide how much it is allowed to interpose between you and the material. Perhaps this is why it's so difficult to describe what it does. Cheers - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlompmwACgkQBcgs9XrR2kYMwwCfRM4aTVAaHQVyw+PWOQ2ngGgl 3QAAnRURSfhAkj4PFSTvWOpjzcL5RQDL =9JnF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----