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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: want a file format easily edited and read by emacs that allows (multiple) pictures to be included
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:00:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171205140012.GC32589@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <861sk9b87p.fsf@zoho.com>

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On Tue, Dec 05, 2017 at 02:44:10PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> tomás wrote:
> 
> >> So it *is* a tool, an IDE if you will, to
> >> generate data into different formats. OK, no
> >> further questions.
> >
> > It's more... and less. For example I have
> > a diary where I keep the things I've done
> 
> I would just use a plain text buffer for that.
> 
> >> PS. No wonder it was so difficult to find an
> >> example what good actually ever came out of
> >> it :)
> >
> > No. It's because you seem to be blind on some
> > eye. That may be just because you don't miss
> > what Org might bring to you, and that would
> > be OK.
> 
> I have yet to see the one thing it can do for
> me that I don't already have. If it can glue
> plain text, HTML, LaTeX/PDF and more together,
> and provide tools and shortcuts to produce and
> convert between formats, this is what I would
> call an IDE

Note that if you are *just* into converting
between formats, there are other, better tools
(pandoc comes to mind; I think the Org exporters
sometimes use it as a backend, but I might be
wrong).

>        and I'm not into that as I've yet
> to see such a system that does not reduce the
> degree of precision and intimacy with which
> I can solve such issues directly by
> manipulating the material first hand. All such
> in-between layers, in my experience, only makes
> for fiddling with the IDE, trying to figure out
> how to make it do what you want, instead of
> fiddling with the material itself which is the
> thing and the activity that appeals to me.

The interesting thing about Org is that it
is pretty lightweight. Its native format is
sufficiently near to plain text that you
can decide how much it is allowed to interpose
between you and the material. Perhaps this is
why it's so difficult to describe what it
does.

Cheers
- -- tomás
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-05 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-02  8:02 want a file format easily edited and read by emacs that allows (multiple) pictures to be included Dan Hitt
2017-12-02 13:06 ` Daian YUE
2017-12-02 20:31   ` Dan Hitt
2017-12-02 21:08     ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-02 22:47       ` Dan Hitt
2017-12-03 10:10         ` tomas
2017-12-03 19:17           ` Dan Hitt
2017-12-03 20:56             ` tomas
2017-12-04 10:02       ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-04 11:28         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05  5:11           ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-05  5:56             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06 19:29               ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]               ` <mailman.5249.1512588581.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07  1:26                 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07  6:27                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-07  2:06                 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07  2:55                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07  4:53                   ` Rusi
2017-12-07  5:14                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07  5:20                       ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07  7:17                   ` Eric S Fraga
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.5273.1512631037.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 11:35                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07 13:05                       ` Rusi
2017-12-07 13:59                       ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-07 14:52                         ` Joost Kremers
2017-12-07 15:04                           ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-07 15:18                             ` Yuri Khan
2017-12-08  9:26                               ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-08 19:37                                 ` Dan Hitt
2017-12-09 10:20                                   ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-09 14:03                                     ` Kaushal Modi
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.5390.1512814836.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-09 19:04                                     ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.5287.1512659955.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 18:31                               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07 18:50                                 ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.5293.1512672682.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 19:07                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07 19:19                                     ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.5295.1512674421.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 21:23                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.5286.1512659071.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 19:02                             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-08  9:23                               ` Eric S Fraga
     [not found]                         ` <mailman.5284.1512658429.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 18:26                           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07 19:04                             ` Joost Kremers
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.5294.1512673483.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07 19:29                               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07 18:43                           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-04 20:35         ` Dan Hitt
2017-12-04 21:21           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-04 21:52             ` tomas
2017-12-04 22:00               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-04 22:12                 ` tomas
2017-12-05  4:13                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05  8:08                     ` tomas
2017-12-05  8:36                       ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05  8:53                         ` tomas
2017-12-05  9:48                           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 10:03                             ` tomas
2017-12-05 11:31                               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 11:51                                 ` tomas
2017-12-05 13:44                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 14:00                                     ` tomas [this message]
2017-12-05 19:58                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 16:05                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-05 20:08                                       ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.5155.1512474685.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-05 11:59                                   ` Rusi
2017-12-05 15:49                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.5149.1512468235.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-05 11:29                               ` Rusi
2017-12-05 11:36                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 14:49                                   ` Kevin Buchs
2017-12-05 19:53                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 23:44                                     ` Dan Hitt
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.5203.1512517474.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-06  3:38                                       ` Rusi
2017-12-06  5:28                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06  9:23                                           ` Rusi
2017-12-06  9:40                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06 16:54                                               ` Eric S Fraga
     [not found]                                               ` <mailman.5229.1512579276.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07  1:21                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-07  2:33                                             ` Dan Hitt
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.5267.1512614019.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-07  4:57                                               ` Rusi
2017-12-09  5:25                                               ` Rusi
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.5167.1512485401.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-05 15:08                                     ` Rusi
2017-12-05 15:47                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-05 19:55                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 15:45                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-05 19:53                               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05  9:56                     ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-05 11:23                       ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 11:39                         ` tomas
2017-12-05 12:19                         ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-05 13:32                           ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 13:38                             ` tomas
2017-12-05 13:53                               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05 14:09                                 ` tomas
2017-12-05 20:11                                   ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.5165.1512482981.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-06  3:37                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06  5:55                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06  9:03                                       ` tomas
     [not found]                                       ` <mailman.5213.1512550993.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-06  9:43                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06 10:04                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06 13:14                                           ` Rusi
2017-12-07  1:37                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-06 16:54                                           ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-05 14:42                               ` Yuri Khan
2017-12-05 15:30                                 ` tomas
2017-12-05 15:50                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-05 19:04                             ` Eric S Fraga
2017-12-05  5:09             ` Marcin Borkowski
2017-12-05  5:53               ` Emanuel Berg
2017-12-05  5:08           ` Marcin Borkowski
     [not found]   ` <mailman.4985.1512246680.27995.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2017-12-03  1:24     ` Dan Espen
2017-12-03  4:58       ` Dan Hitt

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