From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Johnson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Binding Alt-n, Alt-p, ESC-n, ESC-p Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:30:51 -0800 Organization: AkWebsoft Message-ID: <20171030223051.GC3470@mail.akwebsoft.com> References: <20171029001328.GA19947@mail.akwebsoft.com> <8760axat24.fsf@gmail.com> <20171030152627.GA3470@mail.akwebsoft.com> <87efpk62rw.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1509402692 14930 195.159.176.226 (30 Oct 2017 22:31:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:31:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.7.0 (2016-08-17) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 30 23:31:26 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1e9IaX-0002wA-PM for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 23:31:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42848 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e9Iae-000717-Ra for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:31:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59520) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e9IaA-00070E-5q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:30:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e9Ia7-0004Ty-IW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:30:58 -0400 Original-Received: from tjohnson.mtaonline.net ([64.4.232.191]:59553) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1e9Ia7-0004RZ-9f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: by linus.johnson.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C4B6A200735; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 14:30:51 -0800 (AKDT) Mail-Followup-To: Robert Pluim , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87efpk62rw.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 64.4.232.191 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:114703 Archived-At: * Robert Pluim [171030 08:08]: > Tim Johnson writes: > > > * Robert Pluim [171030 01:29]: > >> Tim Johnson writes: > >> > >> > Using GNU Emacs 25.1.1 on Ubuntu 14.04 > >> > > >> > I have no pressing need to know, but am just curious: > >> > > >> > Alt-n, Alt-p, ESC-n, ESC-p are undefined on my emacs. > >> > > >> > >> In which mode? I don't think there's a global binding for those > >> keys. Put another way: what did you expect them to be bound to? > > > > I had no expectations as to what they might be bound to. I > > surmised that it might be some historical issue. > > > > Propably. Not many keyboards these days are configured to generate > both Alt and Meta, so most bindings are on Meta. > > > Since these key combinations are so handy, one might be tempted to > > use them globally. That might mean that a subsequent utilization > > of a mode using them would get clobbered. > > > > Yes, that's always a risk with personal bindings, which is why you > have the C-c letter space. > > > Would not binding these key combinations to a mode violate the > > conventions as laid out here: > > https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Key-Binding-Conventions.html > > ? > > > > I don't think so. That just talks about not ending a key-binding with > ESC. And I interpreted the documentation to read that major and minor keybinding recommendations are *limited* to those C-c spaces that are mentioned there. My mistake. thanks -- Tim http://www.akwebsoft.com, http://www.tj49.com