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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c0c::229 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:113669 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg wrote: > It is a fact that people are getting better and > better at English. When I was a kid, I was > amazed with the Germans and so on whose English > was way below our level. But now I've met > several Germans in their 20s and they speak > better English than I did when I was 20. I agree. > Especially for tech and science people, not > mastering English, at least with respect to > their own field(s), is to cripple them. > And a great way to learn is to read manuals and > other technology material. I agree again. But the point is that perhaps some people don't come to technology because of language barrier issues. Perhaps if they could understand the manual or understand it more easily they would be more willing to come closer. Somewhere I read that everyone who wants to use Emacs or does use it understands English. Maybe. But the question to be answered is: "is there anyone who doesn't use Emacs because he can't access the knowledge?" Or put it another way: "There would be more people using Emacs if they didn't need to learn English to use it?" I also agree that technology shouldn't be translated. Just because translations add nothing in terms of knowledge or development. But it would be just a help. You just put the notice "this manual is not authoritative. In case of doubt consult the original in English" and that's it. I think it could help some people, making technology closer to them.