From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [Emacs] request: better subject lines Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:49:50 +0200 Message-ID: <20170503084950.GA26529@tuxteam.de> References: <874lx5dhwd.fsf@pippiandcarlos.com> <20170502134109.GA26043@tuxteam.de> <87lgqfjnsq.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493801426 1141 195.159.176.226 (3 May 2017 08:50:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 08:50:26 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed May 03 10:50:22 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5pzJ-0000DE-Iw for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 10:50:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35388 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5pzP-000088-7p for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 04:50:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5pyw-00007k-5G for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 04:49:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5pyr-0004DT-Aa for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 04:49:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.tuxteam.de ([5.199.139.25]:55430 helo=tomasium.tuxteam.de) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5pyr-0004DE-4W for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 04:49:53 -0400 Original-Received: from tomas by tomasium.tuxteam.de with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1d5pyp-0006yt-0n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 03 May 2017 10:49:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87lgqfjnsq.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 5.199.139.25 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112936 Archived-At: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 11:12:05PM +0800, Danny YUE wrote: [...] > Sharp, but makes sense. Sorry if it came across as "sharp". On a second reading I see what you mean. That wasn't my intention. See, I'm in this business for long enough and have seen this pattern (degradating mail for all of us just for not knowing what is out there). I'll refrain from enumerating all the examples but this one: Microsoft, insisting on doing message threading based on Subject instead of on Message-ID, just because their @#&%$ mail client is too broken to correctly "do" Message-ID ultimately forces their lower standard on all of us. Now one can argue that some agents (Microsoft is surely among them, but far from alone) have a deep financial stake on keeping mail semi- broken: after all it's a decentral service, well-established, difficult to silo. But seeing ourselves, who should be fighting to keep the last few really free services out there in a working order following the same pattern makes me... sad. Sometimes a bit angry. Sorry again. I'll try to control my temper better the next time. > Just take myself as an example: I am using mu4e in Emacs for viewing > emails. It has information about "List" which shows which mailing list a > new email comes from. > > > So I can definitely recognize this is from "EmacsUser" list and open > it... > > You see, try some tools out and it may not be a problem any more. Thanks for offering a constructive possibility :-) regards - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlkJma4ACgkQBcgs9XrR2kZ4+QCfTgOtf28rWDhd88dEjDs6T77k 1x0AniBTeaP0Dk8H6I2535+AFOSJMFVy =lcMr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----