From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [GNU-Emacs] request: better subject lines Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:43:24 -0600 Message-ID: <20170502122324867083797@bob.proulx.com> References: <874lx5dhwd.fsf@pippiandcarlos.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493757852 30110 195.159.176.226 (2 May 2017 20:44:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 20:44:12 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170306 (1.8.0) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue May 02 22:44:08 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d5eeT-0007dk-6z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 May 2017 22:44:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33592 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5eeY-0001IS-IX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 02 May 2017 16:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52493) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5edt-0001Gz-GR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2017 16:43:30 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5edq-0001L0-Cb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2017 16:43:29 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:37309) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d5edq-0001Kh-72 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 May 2017 16:43:26 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C7AE8BC for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 14:43:25 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEE6217DF for ; Tue, 2 May 2017 14:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C574A2DC5F; Tue, 2 May 2017 14:43:24 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874lx5dhwd.fsf@pippiandcarlos.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:112932 Archived-At: Carlos Konstanski wrote: > If you're like me, you get a whole lot of spam. You need to scan the > subject lines in your INBOX to decide what's spam and what's ham. If you > have to open an email to decide because the subject line is > inconclusive, that's bad. I think this is an XY problem. The underlying problem is that you are getting too much spam. That is bad and should be solved. And a secondary problem is not filtering mail by mailing list. That is something this emacs help topic list can help with fixing. I see that you are using gnus. Could another gnus user make a suggestion as to how Carlos can improve the gnus work flow to be able to read through help-gnu-emacs mail more efficiently and effectively? (I am not a gnus user or I would jump in there.) How can Carlos using gnus limit the mailbox to only the messages that came through the help-gnu-mailing list? (List-Id: .*) If you read the help-gnu-emacs mailing list messages you should see very little spam here. Every so often one sneaks in through the Standford newsgroup gateway. That is impossible to prevent without cutting off the newsgroup. But other than those few I hope readers see very little spam from this mailing list. > The subject lines for this mailing list need to have a [thing] injected > so that it's obvious that it is email for this list. Note my example in > the subject line of this email. Please? Subject line tags cause problems in many different ways. One of them is that people *think* (wrongly) they are the only way to filter email. Therefore if they don't see something in the subject line then they feel they are prevented from filtering mail! This is generally damaging to the ecosystem by encouraging an ignorance of email. Those tags take up a lot of space in the subject lines. It is not unusual to see the entirety of the subject line consumed by multiple tags. Those tags often get mangled by mail clients setting up the reply. It isn't unusual to see "Re: [subject tag] Re: [subject tag] Re: " appear in mailing lists with subject tags. Those tags don't survive very well in the context of cross posts. Because each list wants to see its tag added to the line. It isn't unusual to see "Re: [TAG111] [TAG222] [TAG111] [TAG222] " appear in mailing lists that use tags. But I am all for people writing better subject lines on their messages! That is what I thought I would hear when I first read that subject line. :-) Bob