Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Tory S. Anderson]

With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar 
but via my (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this annoying, 
it is costly -- it takes 30 seconds to a full minute for the popup 
to appear, meanwhile Emacs is frozen. I would love for this to 
just be the menu prompt, as it used to be. I've tried

`(setq menu-prompting nil)` 

but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I see these prompts most 
often when opening .gpg files and when trying to perform a git 
push. I'm hoping someone will tell me there is a better way to 
disable these than just rebuilding emacs from source with X menus 
disabled (particularly as I have been pleased to get my emacs from 
the repo without needing to build from source).

Good news would be much appreciated!

- Tory

Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried running emacs -nw inside of a terminal yet and 
interfacing with a password yet?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Tory S. Anderson wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:09:40
> From: Tory S. Anderson <torys.anderson@gmail.com>
> To: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
> 
> With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar but via my 
> (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this annoying, it is costly -- it 
> takes 30 seconds to a full minute for the popup to appear, meanwhile Emacs is 
> frozen. I would love for this to just be the menu prompt, as it used to be. 
> I've tried
>
> `(setq menu-prompting nil)` 
> but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I see these prompts most often when 
> opening .gpg files and when trying to perform a git push. I'm hoping someone 
> will tell me there is a better way to disable these than just rebuilding 
> emacs from source with X menus disabled (particularly as I have been pleased 
> to get my emacs from the repo without needing to build from source).
>
> Good news would be much appreciated!
>
> - Tory
>
>

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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[torys.anderson]

This behaves precisely the same way: :30-1:00 wait time for KDE to 
put up a "password" prompt which requires I use a mouse. 

Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:

> Have you tried running emacs -nw inside of a terminal yet and 
> interfacing with a password yet?
>
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Tory S. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:09:40
>> From: Tory S. Anderson <torys.anderson@gmail.com>
>> To: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> Subject: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
>>
>> With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu 
>> bar but via my (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this 
>> annoying, it is costly -- it takes 30 seconds to a full minute 
>> for the popup to appear, meanwhile Emacs is frozen. I would 
>> love for this to just be the menu prompt, as it used to 
>> be. I've tried
>>
>> `(setq menu-prompting nil)` but it doesn't seem to have any 
>> effect. I see these prompts most often when opening .gpg files 
>> and when trying to perform a git push. I'm hoping someone will 
>> tell me there is a better way to disable these than just 
>> rebuilding emacs from source with X menus disabled 
>> (particularly as I have been pleased to get my emacs from the 
>> repo without needing to build from source).
>>
>> Good news would be much appreciated!
>>
>> - Tory
>>
>>

Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Jude DaShiell]

not good, screen readers in command line environments like espeak and 
fenrir and speechdup at the least are not going to like this.
On Wed, 15 
Feb 2017, torys.anderson@gmail.com wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:35:40
> From: torys.anderson@gmail.com
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> Cc: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
> 
> This behaves precisely the same way: :30-1:00 wait time for KDE to put up a 
> "password" prompt which requires I use a mouse. 
> Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:
>
>> Have you tried running emacs -nw inside of a terminal yet and interfacing 
>> with a password yet?
>> 
>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Tory S. Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:09:40
>>> From: Tory S. Anderson <torys.anderson@gmail.com>
>>> To: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>>> Subject: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
>>> 
>>> With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar but via 
>>> my (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this annoying, it is costly -- 
>>> it takes 30 seconds to a full minute for the popup to appear, meanwhile 
>>> Emacs is frozen. I would love for this to just be the menu prompt, as it 
>>> used to be. I've tried
>>> 
>>> `(setq menu-prompting nil)` but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I see 
>>> these prompts most often when opening .gpg files and when trying to 
>>> perform a git push. I'm hoping someone will tell me there is a better way 
>>> to disable these than just rebuilding emacs from source with X menus 
>>> disabled (particularly as I have been pleased to get my emacs from the 
>>> repo without needing to build from source).
>>> 
>>> Good news would be much appreciated!
>>> 
>>> - Tory
>>> 
>>> 
>

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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Jude DaShiell]

No wonder emacs-twittering-mode never created a gpg file for me when I 
authorized the app and later had to authorize the app again.  The popup 
didn't react well with espeak.  That's good to know.  Any other emacs 
packages I should remove from this system on account of this bug that 
prompt for passwords and/or use gpg?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 18:11:36
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> To: torys.anderson@gmail.com
> Cc: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
> 
> not good, screen readers in command line environments like espeak and fenrir 
> and speechdup at the least are not going to like this.
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, torys.anderson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:35:40
>> From: torys.anderson@gmail.com
>> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
>> Cc: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
>> 
>> This behaves precisely the same way: :30-1:00 wait time for KDE to put up a 
>> "password" prompt which requires I use a mouse. Jude DaShiell 
>> <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Have you tried running emacs -nw inside of a terminal yet and interfacing 
>>> with a password yet?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Tory S. Anderson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:09:40
>>>> From: Tory S. Anderson <torys.anderson@gmail.com>
>>>> To: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>>>> Subject: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
>>>> 
>>>> With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar but via 
>>>> my (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this annoying, it is costly 
>>>> -- it takes 30 seconds to a full minute for the popup to appear, 
>>>> meanwhile Emacs is frozen. I would love for this to just be the menu 
>>>> prompt, as it used to be. I've tried
>>>> 
>>>> `(setq menu-prompting nil)` but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I see 
>>>> these prompts most often when opening .gpg files and when trying to 
>>>> perform a git push. I'm hoping someone will tell me there is a better way 
>>>> to disable these than just rebuilding emacs from source with X menus 
>>>> disabled (particularly as I have been pleased to get my emacs from the 
>>>> repo without needing to build from source).
>>>> 
>>>> Good news would be much appreciated!
>>>> 
>>>> - Tory
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>
>

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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[torys.anderson]

I can indeed get rid of the GUI pop-ups by changing my gpg 
settings, adding the following to ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
allow-emacs-pinentry
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

This solves the original question, putting prompts back in emacs.

It also reveals that my problem is not the prompt, as these emacs 
prompts take just as long to appear as did the popups. However, 
they are fast on my practically identically configured laptop. If 
anyone has ideas on why or how to debug this, I'm all ears.

- Tory

Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[John Mastro]

<torys.anderson@gmail.com> wrote:
> I can indeed get rid of the GUI pop-ups by changing my gpg settings,
> adding the following to ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> allow-emacs-pinentry
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> This solves the original question, putting prompts back in emacs.
>
> It also reveals that my problem is not the prompt, as these emacs
> prompts take just as long to appear as did the popups. However, they
> are fast on my practically identically configured laptop. If anyone
> has ideas on why or how to debug this, I'm all ears.

Your situation sounds at least superficially similar to the one
described here:

https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-November/054736.html

Hope that helps

        John

Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[tomas]

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On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 02:09:36PM -0800, John Mastro wrote:
> <torys.anderson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I can indeed get rid of the GUI pop-ups by changing my gpg settings,

[...]

> > It also reveals that my problem is not the prompt, as these emacs
> > prompts take just as long to appear as did the popups [...]

> Your situation sounds at least superficially similar to the one
> described here:
> 
> https://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2015-November/054736.html

Yikes. Waiting for the bus?

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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Jude DaShiell]

Have you tried emacs-nox and found this adverse popup behavior to happen 
in that package too?

On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, torys.anderson@gmail.com wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 16:35:40
> From: torys.anderson@gmail.com
> To: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> Cc: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
> 
> This behaves precisely the same way: :30-1:00 wait time for KDE to put up a 
> "password" prompt which requires I use a mouse. 
> Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:
>
>> Have you tried running emacs -nw inside of a terminal yet and interfacing 
>> with a password yet?
>> 
>> On Wed, 15 Feb 2017, Tory S. Anderson wrote:
>> 
>>> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2017 14:09:40
>>> From: Tory S. Anderson <torys.anderson@gmail.com>
>>> To: Emacs Help List <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>>> Subject: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups
>>> 
>>> With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar but via 
>>> my (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this annoying, it is costly -- 
>>> it takes 30 seconds to a full minute for the popup to appear, meanwhile 
>>> Emacs is frozen. I would love for this to just be the menu prompt, as it 
>>> used to be. I've tried
>>> 
>>> `(setq menu-prompting nil)` but it doesn't seem to have any effect. I see 
>>> these prompts most often when opening .gpg files and when trying to 
>>> perform a git push. I'm hoping someone will tell me there is a better way 
>>> to disable these than just rebuilding emacs from source with X menus 
>>> disabled (particularly as I have been pleased to get my emacs from the 
>>> repo without needing to build from source).
>>> 
>>> Good news would be much appreciated!
>>> 
>>> - Tory
>>> 
>>> 
>
>

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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Glenn Morris]

Tory S. Anderson wrote:

> With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar but
> via my (KDE/Plasma) window manager.
[...]
> I see these prompts most often when opening .gpg files and when trying
> to perform a git push.

I think you'll find these are gpg dialogue boxes, not Emacs ones. See eg

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16826849/emacs-stop-popup-window-for-gpg-passphrase

Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[tomas]

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On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 09:14:39PM -0500, Glenn Morris wrote:
> Tory S. Anderson wrote:
> 
> > With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu bar but
> > via my (KDE/Plasma) window manager.
> [...]
> > I see these prompts most often when opening .gpg files and when trying
> > to perform a git push.
> 
> I think you'll find these are gpg dialogue boxes, not Emacs ones. See eg
> 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16826849/emacs-stop-popup-window-for-gpg-passphrase

Yes. Newer GPGs think users crave for popups. The component
in GPG responsible for that... uh... embellishment is called
"pinentry", and there are different ones (for Gnome and KDE,
depending on your masochism's flavour). Luckily there's a
pinentry-emacs (I think it's in EPA); for tty users there
seems to be a pinentry-tty.

The situation isn't as dire as it used to be in the first days
of GPG2: it had only GUI pinentries. I just wouldn't have
used that.

regards
- -- tomás
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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[torys.anderson]

I also get the pop-ups for git, though, which leads me to think it 
is not specifically about GPG. Is this a generalized problem, or 
does it happen that GPG and Magit have made some similar 
decisions? 

<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 09:14:39PM -0500, Glenn Morris wrote:
>> Tory S. Anderson wrote:
>> 
>> > With Emacs 25.1.1, password prompts are no longer in the menu 
>> > bar but
>> > via my (KDE/Plasma) window manager.
>> [...]
>> > I see these prompts most often when opening .gpg files and 
>> > when trying
>> > to perform a git push.
>> 
>> I think you'll find these are gpg dialogue boxes, not Emacs 
>> ones. See eg
>> 
>> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16826849/emacs-stop-popup-window-for-gpg-passphrase
>
> Yes. Newer GPGs think users crave for popups. The component
> in GPG responsible for that... uh... embellishment is called
> "pinentry", and there are different ones (for Gnome and KDE,
> depending on your masochism's flavour). Luckily there's a
> pinentry-emacs (I think it's in EPA); for tty users there
> seems to be a pinentry-tty.
>
> The situation isn't as dire as it used to be in the first days
> of GPG2: it had only GUI pinentries. I just wouldn't have
> used that.
>
> regards
> -- tomás

Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[tomas]

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On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 08:44:48AM -0700, torys.anderson@gmail.com wrote:
> I also get the pop-ups for git, though, which leads me to think it
> is not specifically about GPG. Is this a generalized problem, or
> does it happen that GPG and Magit have made some similar decisions?

Similar, yes. It's your desktop environment trying to be helpful and
playing ssh agent. I remember dimly having disabled that, but it's
a while I don't use any DE anymore (yes, because of such things).

(the ssh agent and the gpg agent are both in the job of keeping access
to your unlocked credentials for the session).

regards
- -- tomás
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Re: Getting rid of the GUI pop-ups

[Stefan Monnier]

> (KDE/Plasma) window manager. Not only is this annoying, it is costly -- it
> takes 30 seconds to a full minute for the popup to appear, meanwhile Emacs

I'm not fond of GPG's GUI dialog, but it doesn't take that long for me:
it's basically instantaneous, as it should be.  You should report a bug
against GPG (and/or its pinentry thingy) to try and figure out what's
going on and get it fixed.


        Stefan