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From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Rationale behind conversion of a nil prefix arg to numeric 1
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 12:27:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160906102757.GA21435@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87inu98ipz.fsf@bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_40_000>

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On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 11:45:28AM +0200, Florian v. Savigny wrote:
> 
> 
>   > Alternatively, for Andreas the axiom "the default value is always 0"
>   > holds ;-P
> 
> I do sympathise with him, because my question started out supposing
> exactly the same thing. It just seems intuitive that nil translates to
> the number 0, if any, and when things are intuitive, this is (I think)
> generally good.

Definitely. Andreas' viewpoint is in some way understandable.

> It all becomes immediately clear when you understand that the numeric
> prefix arg has a special purpose, i.e. is conceived as a repeat
> counter (and NOT simply a number), but only then. In other words,
> `prefix-arg-as-repeat-counter' might be the kind of name that would be
> more readily understandable (and would even arguably be more accurate)
> than `prefix-numeric-value'.

I.e. "when the action is multiplicative, use the multiplicative neutral
element (i.e. 1) as default, not the additive (ie. 0) ;-)

But I'll shut up now.

regards and thanks for your lenience

- -- t
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  reply	other threads:[~2016-09-06 10:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-09-04 12:23 Rationale behind conversion of a nil prefix arg to numeric 1 Florian v. Savigny
2016-09-04 14:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-04 17:11   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-09-04 18:33     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-05  7:16       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-09-05 14:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-05 15:22           ` Kaushal Modi
2016-09-05 16:32             ` Drew Adams
2016-09-05 18:41             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-09-05 19:02               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-06  7:10                 ` tomas
2016-09-06  9:45                   ` Florian v. Savigny
2016-09-06 10:27                     ` tomas [this message]
2016-09-06 11:27                     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-09-06 13:27                       ` Florian v. Savigny
2016-09-06 15:22                         ` Drew Adams
2016-09-06 14:20                       ` Kaushal Modi
2016-09-06 16:44                         ` Andreas Röhler
2016-09-06 16:41                           ` Kaushal Modi
2016-09-07 23:11                         ` Charles Millar
2016-09-08 13:10                           ` Kaushal Modi
2016-09-08 14:42                             ` Charles Millar
2016-09-08 15:40                           ` Drew Adams
2016-09-06  7:22                 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-09-05 17:04         ` Drew Adams
2016-09-05 21:39           ` Florian v. Savigny
     [not found]           ` <<877faqvxfp.fsf@bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_40_000>
2016-09-05 23:32             ` Drew Adams
2016-09-06  3:45               ` B.V. Raghav
2016-09-04 22:53   ` Florian v. Savigny
     [not found]   ` <<87d1kjjmys.fsf@bertrandrussell.Speedport_W_723V_1_40_000>
2016-09-05  0:52     ` Drew Adams
2016-09-15 12:47 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen

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