From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Reply to list [was: Different key maps in different dired buffers] Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:29:26 -0600 Message-ID: <20160605205812056555404@bob.proulx.com> References: <83pos7z6gv.fsf@gnu.org> <86zir1n347.fsf@student.uu.se> <8660tpmztw.fsf@student.uu.se> <87porxkl2r.fsf@quux> <8737orkbbl.fsf@quux> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1465183814 31231 80.91.229.3 (6 Jun 2016 03:30:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 03:30:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 06 05:30:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1b9lEr-0001IC-Hg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2016 05:30:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39552 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9lEn-0005xZ-Ah for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:30:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45595) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9lEQ-0005xR-8n for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:29:39 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9lEJ-0004go-Sf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:29:35 -0400 Original-Received: from havoc.proulx.com ([96.88.95.61]:39402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1b9lEJ-0004gf-Me for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:29:31 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by havoc.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B6F67C2 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:29:27 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FA3F21281 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 64BC82DC4D; Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:29:26 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8737orkbbl.fsf@quux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.24 (2015-08-30) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 96.88.95.61 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:110323 Archived-At: Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > >> ... seems to implicate the Stanford newsgroup gateway. > > > > I=E2=80=99ll try to post this message to =E2=80=98gnu.emacs.help=E2=80= =98 via a proper news > > server (news.gnus.org) and not with Gnus, let see what will happen. >=20 > That is it! References are broken. I think it is confirmed. > So what we could do with it, besides avoiding posting here via > =E2=80=98gnu.emacs.help=E2=80=99? That is the problem. It is available. People will use it. We can't stop people from posting to the news group. > It would be logical to report this issue to the gateway maintainers (or > how else should be they called?) at Stanford, I have no idea though, > where to report to them to. Now that we have determined it to be the problem I guess we should contact them and see if they can address the problem somehow. I don't know who maintains the gateway. I have never had any interaction with them. > Or is it =E2=80=99s (is there any?) business to dea= l with > broken gateways? Well... I think that is me! AFAIK the listmaster address is now untended. AFAIK it was replaced with mailman@gnu.org for use with Mailman. AFAIK (a lot of softening here) that happened around 2003 according to notes left behind in files so it has been a while. Regardless of the actual history it predates my involvement by many years. Which is why I have AFAIK so many times. These days the mailing list admins on the non-FSF side of things are myself and Karl. Karl and I handle almost all of the mailing list day to day activity. That includes all of the anti-spam and helping people with subscription and with large file problems and so forth. The FSF admins maintain the Mailman installation and Mailman upgrades. But they don't get involved in the day to day maintenance. And so you could write to mailman@gnu.org but that would just fall through to me or Karl at some point. :-) You could write to help-gnu-emacs-owner@gnu.org and that would reach the owners of this mailing list. Which includes several other people in addition to myself and the -owner address is always a good thing to do when dealing with a specific mailing list. Anyone of the group there could help. Meanwhile, while investigating the listmaster address, I ran across another related untended mailbox that is 1.2G in size holding 71345 messages piling up from 2006 that all appear to be spam. Oh joy. Not! :-) In any case, I will try to chase down who is the maintainer of the Stanford news to mail gateway and contact them about the problem. It has been this way for years. It will probably take a while to get fixed. Bob