From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Zimmerman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: From Gnus to mu4e Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:24:33 -0700 Message-ID: <20150828001629.11433.17209627@ahiker.mooo.com> References: <87d1yhpsbr.fsf@free.fr> <87lhczyl1p.fsf@free.fr> <87a8tezf7x.fsf@free.fr> <87vbc0pgkp.fsf@free.fr> <20150827233408.GD30233@chitra.no-ip.org> <20150827234228.11079.2CAD2C13@ahiker.mooo.com> <20150828001444.GF30233@chitra.no-ip.org> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440721494 3107 80.91.229.3 (28 Aug 2015 00:24:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 00:24:54 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 28 02:24:54 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV7TO-0007Mp-PI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2015 02:24:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45328 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV7TN-0003GX-Fu for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:24:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60187) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV7TA-0003FQ-Tm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:24:37 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV7T9-0008EW-SQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:24:36 -0400 Original-Received: from disorder-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net ([2001:470:1f04:51a::2]:50767 helo=acedia.primate.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV7T9-0008DH-Jy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 20:24:35 -0400 Original-Received: from acedia.primate.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acedia.primate.net (8.14.9/8.14.9/Debian-4) with ESMTP id t7S0OYQQ008779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:24:34 -0700 Original-Received: (from itz@localhost) by acedia.primate.net (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t7S0OXwH008774 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:24:33 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: acedia.primate.net: itz set sender to itz@buug.org using -f Original-Received: from itz by ahiker.mooo.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZV7T7-00030G-9f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:24:33 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150828001444.GF30233@chitra.no-ip.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:470:1f04:51a::2 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106881 Archived-At: On 2015-08-28 02:14 +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > No, it's not. AFAIK on most (all?) *nix filesystems, basic operations > are atomic. See for example this (outdated) list: > > http://rcrowley.org/2010/01/06/things-unix-can-do-atomically.html > > E.g., this breaks down when you talk about network mounts like NFS (not > sure about SSHFS), but it is a valid assumption as long as your storage > is local. Assume there's a message ~/Mail/inbox/cur/1440718280.10956_2.ahiker:2,S MUA 1 wants to set the "tagged" flag, which means renaming 1440718280.10956_2.ahiker:2,S -> 1440718280.10956_2.ahiker:2,FS MUA 2 wants to set the "replied" flag, which means renaming 1440718280.10956_2.ahiker:2,S -> 1440718280.10956_2.ahiker:2,RS Only one of them can succeed, depending on the order they try. And final state also depends on that order. -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.