From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Zimmerman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: using use-package Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: <20150806014002.23425.357BD256@ahiker.mooo.com> References: <20150805055619.13567.17B26335@ahiker.mooo.com> <17131863-cbb8-4a85-8470-490fe9a0c0d4@googlegroups.com> <66dceb24-5fef-4316-8c8b-e9a3e62b0fb8@googlegroups.com> Reply-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1438826114 29932 80.91.229.3 (6 Aug 2015 01:55:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2015 01:55:14 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 06 03:55:14 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNAOn-000162-RC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:55:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNAOm-0002L0-QA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:55:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNAOc-0002HP-LX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNAOb-0004LA-IF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:55:02 -0400 Original-Received: from disorder-1-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net ([2001:470:1f04:51a::2]:43794 helo=acedia.primate.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNAOb-0004JW-9J for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 21:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from acedia.primate.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by acedia.primate.net (8.14.9/8.14.9/Debian-2) with ESMTP id t761sxYo025206 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:54:59 -0700 Original-Received: (from itz@localhost) by acedia.primate.net (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id t761sxL0025201 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:54:59 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: acedia.primate.net: itz set sender to itz@buug.org using -f Original-Received: from itz by ahiker.mooo.com with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZNAOY-00067Q-Et for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2015 18:54:58 -0700 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <66dceb24-5fef-4316-8c8b-e9a3e62b0fb8@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:470:1f04:51a::2 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:106285 Archived-At: On 2015-08-05 18:34 -0700, Rusi wrote: > Putting in the core is rather some distance from promoting as the "one > true way" Ok, so please specify what you mean by "putting in the core". The kinds of things that you need to manually change when starting to use a new package (and so the things for which use-package is useful, I guess) are twofold: autoloads of functions, and items in global lists such as auto-mode-alist and compilation-error-regexp-alist. But you don't need to add either for modules in the core, both are already set up for you. Everything else can be done with customizable options. Or do I forget something? > Analogy: Some ifs can be shortened to when/unless/and etc but not all. > Should when/unless/and be banned since people forget how to use if? :-) Actually it's if that I would ban, it's asymmetric and ugly. Use cond when when/unless don't fit. > Old users of emacs forget that many potential new users never cross > the potential barrier to becoming actual users because of initial > (includes init!) complexity I don't buy this "new users" argument in the context of free software, and there are good counterexamples (Gnome). -- Please *no* private copies of mailing list or newsgroup messages. Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.