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From: Ian Zimmerman <itz@buug.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: using use-package
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:24:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150805170048.18760.318B0B74@ahiker.mooo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17131863-cbb8-4a85-8470-490fe9a0c0d4@googlegroups.com>

On 2015-08-05 09:34 -0700, Rusi wrote:

> > That way lies Ubuntu - an ancient African word meaning "much simpler
> > than the simplest possible".

> I get that you are making a joke... But I dont get it :-(
> Is it that...
>  - Using use-package oversimplifies?

Maybe not right now, but promoting it as the one and true way of
configuring emacs would eventually lead to a state where some things are
no longer possible, or (and this is the Ubuntu way) they are _officially
supposed_ to be possible, but because hardly anybody does them they're
untested and unsupported by the developers.

Emacs is full of interdependencies by its nature.  Things like adaptive
fill, global font lock, imenu, work slightly differently in each mode
depending on configuration of that mode.  There's a plausible argument
that this is a misdesign, but it is far too deeply ingrained now to
change, IMO.

Also the use of dynamic scoping plays into this.  Much code was
intentionally written so that the way to change its behavior (sometimes
the only way) is to let-bind a global variable.  case-fold is a classic
example.  It is not clear to me how partitioning configuration into
packages can deal with this.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-05 17:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2015-08-05  5:35 ` using use-package Rusi
2015-08-05  5:57   ` Ian Zimmerman
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7832.1438754275.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-05 16:34     ` Rusi
2015-08-05 17:24       ` Ian Zimmerman [this message]
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7851.1438795470.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06  1:34         ` Rusi
2015-08-06  1:54           ` Ian Zimmerman
     [not found]           ` <mailman.7873.1438826104.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06  5:06             ` Rusi
2015-08-07 20:11               ` Grant Rettke
     [not found]               ` <mailman.7956.1438978281.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-08  2:36                 ` Rusi
2015-08-08 23:24                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-10  2:25                     ` Grant Rettke
2015-08-10  9:52                     ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-10 21:25                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-10 22:32                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.8096.1439241947.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-06-28 13:02                         ` Rusi
2016-06-28 13:10                           ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.235.1467119445.26859.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2016-06-28 13:14                             ` Rusi
2016-06-28 13:30                               ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-28 22:05                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-28 22:34                                   ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-29  7:38                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-29 17:02                                       ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-29 17:15                                         ` Drew Adams
2016-06-29 17:20                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-30  7:25                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-30  9:04                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-30 14:03                                           ` Phillip Lord
2016-06-30 18:32                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-06-29  7:28                                   ` Andreas Röhler
2015-08-11  5:44                     ` John Wiegley
2015-08-11 15:22                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-11 20:36                         ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-12 16:09                         ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.8067.1439200345.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-10 12:14                       ` Rusi
2015-08-11  9:20                       ` Sebastien Vauban
2015-08-11 10:04                         ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-11 11:05                           ` Alexis
2015-08-11 11:16                             ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-11 11:25                               ` Alexis
2015-08-11 20:42                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                     ` <mailman.8114.1439272212.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-12 17:52                       ` Rusi
2015-08-12 18:20                         ` Ian Zimmerman
2015-08-13  1:13                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13  7:25                             ` tomas
2015-08-13 15:08                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 20:14                                 ` tomas
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.8280.1439496850.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-13 20:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 21:11                                     ` tomas
2015-08-13 21:52                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-08-13 22:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 22:12                                       ` John Mastro
2015-08-13 22:25                                         ` Rasmus
2015-08-13 22:50                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-15 13:56                                             ` Rasmus
     [not found]                                             ` <mailman.8383.1439647006.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-15 15:46                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14  4:09                                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2015-08-13  9:07                             ` John Wiegley
2015-08-13 12:40                             ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-13 15:24                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 16:02                                 ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-13 21:19                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14  9:16                                     ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.8319.1439543792.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 13:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14 14:41                                         ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                         ` <mailman.8328.1439563291.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 16:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                                 ` <mailman.8263.1439481769.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-13 16:15                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-13 18:40                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-08-14  2:21                                     ` John Yates
2015-08-14  9:35                                     ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.8304.1439518900.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 13:51                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14 16:10                                         ` John Yates
     [not found]                                     ` <mailman.8321.1439544925.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-14 14:04                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14 14:49                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-08-14 16:06                                           ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-14 17:41                                             ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.8226.1439428438.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-13  2:07                             ` Rusi
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.7988.1439076276.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-09  2:43                     ` Rusi
2015-08-09 13:17                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-09 16:14                         ` Rusi
2015-08-09 16:25                           ` Emanuel Berg
2015-08-09 16:45                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-09 17:03                             ` Rusi
2015-08-09 17:17                               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-09 17:30                                 ` Rusi
2015-08-09 17:45                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-11  1:23                                   ` Robert Thorpe
2015-08-11  2:05                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2015-08-11 20:49                                     ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-13 15:27                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-14  5:12                                         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2015-08-14  5:23                                           ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  6:28                                             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2015-08-14  6:44                                               ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  6:46                                                 ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  6:47                                                   ` Edward Knyshov
2015-08-14  9:29                                             ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                                   ` <mailman.8104.1439256204.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-12 17:46                                     ` Rusi
2015-08-10  2:19                   ` Grant Rettke
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.8054.1439173196.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-10  3:41                     ` Rusi
2015-08-04 15:01 Sharon Kimble
2015-08-04 15:46 ` Chunyang Xu
2015-08-04 16:35 ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-04 18:24   ` Sharon Kimble
2015-08-04 19:18     ` Grant Rettke
2015-08-04 21:24     ` Phillip Lord
2015-08-05  1:20       ` Grant Rettke

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