From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Find first line FOLLOWING a sequence of matches Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:37:32 -0600 Message-ID: <20150429235008806153877@bob.proulx.com> References: <20150428222841721866707@bob.proulx.com> <87vbgeahaa.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430375887 5253 80.91.229.3 (30 Apr 2015 06:38:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:38:07 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 30 08:37:52 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yni6Z-0001qv-OJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 08:37:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42281 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yni6Z-00076k-5I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:37:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60212) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yni6M-00076b-S7 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:37:40 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yni6I-0005uy-Un for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:37:38 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:35855) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yni6I-0005um-J4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E6B21217 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 915752DC42; Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87vbgeahaa.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104089 Archived-At: Robert Thorpe wrote: > Bob Proulx writes: > > Subhan Michael Tindall wrote: > >> This message is intended for the sole use of the individual and > >> entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is > > > > READ CAREFULLY. By reading this email, you agree, on behalf of your > > employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from > > I don't think there is anything to worry about here. Were you worried? I wasn't worried. I was annoyed by the clueless and useless email disclaimer. Those are such a waste of space. We shouldn't even be giving it any discussion time. If someone's company forces that upon their email then out of common decency they should use different email when interacting with the public outside of their company business. There are many free email providers available that won't abuse the users in that way. Here is one of many classic references on the topic. There are many more. http://web.archive.org/web/20060218213021/http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/stupid-disclaimers/ > Read what it says in the second sentence: > > If you are not the intended addressee, nor authorized to > > receive for the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you > > may not use, copy, disclose or distribute to anyone the message or > > any information contained in the message. > > This paragragh that Subhan Michael Tindall added to the end of the email Probably his company's mail server added it to the bottom of his mail for him. That is the usual cause of those disclaimers. Of course it was sent to a public mailing list that has many archivers. Basically the modern day equivalent of publishing it in a newspaper with world wide readership. > is only directed at people who are not the intended addressee. > E.g. people who have read the email by sniffing a plain-test network > connection, or have read it by opening someone else's mail archive. > > The third sentence is simply a request. > > I'm not a lawyer, but I'd say it's fairly harmless. I disagree. Clueless useless disclaimers such as those do harm the community. They are rude. They are completely insane. They consume bandwidth and for those who pay metered bandwidth it does actually cost them more money. They consume diskspace and waste our time avoiding reading them. Think of the kittens! The standard etiquette is that email may contain few lines of signature only. The accepted guideline is no more than four lines. See RFC 1855 for example. When I am annoyed by stupid email disclaimers I add a disclaimer of my own. Which is what I did on the previous message. That one comes from the writer Cory Doctorow. It is called the reasonable disclaimer. At least it is reasonable. Bob Disclaimer: By sending an email to ANY of my addresses you are agreeing that: I am by definition, "the intended recipient". All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. In particular, I may quote it on the net. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message. Unless you are named "Arnold P. Fasnock", you may read only the "odd numbered words" (every other word beginning with the first) of the message above. If you have violated that, then you hereby owe the sender 10 GBP for each even numbered word you have read. If you feel you have received this message in error then add two cups flour, 1/3rd cup butter, 1/3rd cup yogurt, 1/2 cup sugar, 2 eggs, 1 teaspoon baking soda, pinch of salt, mix in three very ripe bananas plus walnuts to taste and bake at 350F for one hour.