From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Voit Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: zsh outside of Emacs (was: Why do we need a number of different terminal modes in Emacs?) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:03:00 +0100 Organization: www.karl-voit.at Message-ID: <2015-02-10T14-59-09@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> References: <2015-02-09T14-06-32@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <87a90mcuzh.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> Reply-To: Karl Voit NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1423577038 30204 80.91.229.3 (10 Feb 2015 14:03:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:03:58 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 10 15:03:49 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLBPn-0007XM-65 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:03:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLBPm-00053l-HZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:03:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53189) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLBPY-00053T-U0 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:03:33 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLBPU-0003Hi-Ja for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:03:32 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:34206) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YLBPU-0003H1-Bx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:03:28 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YLBPL-0007KH-68 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:03:19 +0100 Original-Received: from friends.grml.info ([136.243.234.19]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:03:19 +0100 Original-Received: from news1142 by friends.grml.info with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:03:19 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 55 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: friends.grml.info X-GPG-Key: http://www.Karl-Voit.at/Karl_Voit_GnuPG_public_key.gpg X-Registered-Linux-User: 224337 X-Confession: Pastafarian http://www.venganza.org/ User-Agent: slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:102616 Archived-At: * Robert Thorpe wrote: > Karl Voit >> * Robert Thorpe wrote: >>> Karl Voit writes: >>> >> I don't see much difference between Alt-TAB + XOrg-copy&paste and >> C-x b + Emacs-copy&paste > > It depends on how much use you make of Emacs specific features. Since > bash I am using zsh. However, my zsh has default Emacs bindings as well. > has the same cursor movement commands as Emacs those aren't so > important. In terminal line-mode or shell mode you can use M-/ > (dabbrev-expand). So, if you're writing a shell script or I have a file > open that contains shell commands you don't need to copy & paste so > much, you can write a few character of the command and complete it with > M-/. If you don't use these facilities though then it's best to xterm > because it does better terminal emulation. I see. OK, this confirms my point of view. Thank you. >> The package is called emacs-snapshot. Debian GNU/Linux Wheezy was >> providing no Emacs 24 to me. Therefore I installed the snapshot >> package. > > Snapshots are generally not very reliable. Back then it was either this snapshot package or compile myself (no way!) or stay on Emacs 23 (no way). My package is still current I guess. Have to look for a different source of Debian packages. >> Which Debian Wheezy packages from which source do you recommend? > > I don't know about Debian. Others have posted about that. > > I understand that Debian & Ubuntu are similar though. On Ubuntu there > are things called "PPAs", "personal package archives". People can host > them and put up things they've built. Someone has put up a backport of > Emacs 23.4 which uses the libraries I already have (which avoids the > problem of regular backports which is the huge number of libraries they > drag along). Perhaps something similar is available under Debian. Ubuntus PPAs imitate the behavior of Debian (the original). I am not sure about the compatibility of an Ubuntu-PPA and Debian stable but the underlying methods are the same. -- All in all, one of the most disturbing things today is the definitive fact that the NSA, GCHQ, and many more government organizations are massively terrorizing the freedom of us and the next generations. http://Karl-Voit.at