From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marko Vojinovic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: pirate bay, w3m, and the interface is just an interface (BEST post ever) Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:22:43 +0000 Message-ID: <20141214082243.77ea5690@Yoda> References: <87k31v83eb.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418545400 23970 80.91.229.3 (14 Dec 2014 08:23:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2014 08:23:20 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 14 09:23:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y04SP-0003Ai-8K for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:23:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35318 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y04SO-0001BE-Kc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:23:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55133) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y04S5-0001B0-JA for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:22:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y04Rz-0005G4-Hj for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:22:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f]:53087) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y04Rz-0005DF-Ah for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:22:47 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f175.google.com with SMTP id l15so6167580wiw.2 for ; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:22:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vn9FS77WjRchKByMK87oEnb9/iO2qI9ye4vkQTVGsKo=; b=F/paUOUHgFIAjxOddkpPDSFZ3HFgOm+t5vO5R5chQaqJ+1HyaMvuASaKNMzNyEY/Ix l5X1IrzPt8sZWBBoZ8KpDZBcuR+n0TnrLbMCfosIErAPIp2igB5Mbk1dSSKZXAWC3Dwr gJiStFV5Jey/BI5BidXjch/hUCyXL04QBc6yyW3tam4tOaYrydL0/Zjasj0uTvOPtcH8 3TxI5TZlhG/W+gLoqekL6UURmEwUPXlloekpzFcs8P9UjkW/Ufx8SSWl2jG8SE3zUGAZ RKSpKVHV2QAuSZ/OyEcGwUMm/UXxTYw5X99BZTUlZSfXbQA18BZgJXfMvaY4EqxierSa 5FxA== X-Received: by 10.194.7.97 with SMTP id i1mr40968637wja.31.1418545365936; Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:22:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from Yoda ([89.180.216.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fq1sm8443876wib.12.2014.12.14.00.22.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 14 Dec 2014 00:22:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.24; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22f X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101564 Archived-At: On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 15:45:41 +1000 Paul Rankin wrote: > > Please don't perpetuate this kind of false Robin Hood myth, it's > wilfully ignorant self-interest under a thin veil of trumped up > "people vs the system" garbage. Whatever of this self-deception one > practices, the truth is piracy is stealing from real people. It isn't really stealing because information is not a scarce resource. The basic misunderstanding is in the fact that some people want to treat information as property, in the face of the fact that information is not a concept that can be treated in such a way. The entertainment industry have based their business model on the mistaken idea of treating information as property, and now they are trying to save it from collapsing by the propaganda that copying is the same as stealing. But the vast majority of "entertainment consumers" do not fall for that fallacy. The business model of selling information is conceptually flawed and should be let to die a bitter death, like any other flawed business model. Artists should make a living by live-performing for audiences and securing sponsors to support their creative work. Like the rest of the world does. Scientists for example make a living in exactly that way --- by being paid to teach science to others and by securing research grants. And their creative work is free for everyone to read, copy and "consume" free of charge. And this is *never* considered stealing. There is no conceptual difference between scientific creativity and artistic creativity, and the corresponding "product" (i.e. information) should be treated the same way. What would prevent a famous actor/composer/writer to make fantastic money by giving lessons to others in acting/composing/writing? The demagogy that poor sorry artists will starve to death if their recorded art is being copied instead of purchased is just that --- a demagogy. Best, :-) Marko