From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: no C-h i m emacs ?? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:32:45 -0700 Message-ID: <20141117192633524744988@bob.proulx.com> References: <87egt14r51.fsf@reader.local.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416277996 16816 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2014 02:33:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 02:33:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 18 03:33:10 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XqYbN-0002sy-JB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Nov 2014 03:33:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51035 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqYbM-0001RK-U7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:33:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqYb7-0001GF-Te for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:33:00 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqYb0-0008FU-Oi for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:32:53 -0500 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:38226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XqYb0-0008FH-Hm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 21:32:46 -0500 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D259121232 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:32:45 -0700 (MST) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 928AE2DC35; Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:32:45 -0700 (MST) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101015 Archived-At: Glenn Morris wrote: > In particular: > > consider adding a comment to one of the several Debian bug reports > that exist about this issue, eg > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=685933 > to encourage them to improve the way they handle this, which has been > confusing Emacs users on Debian for 7+ years now. Alternatively if GNU were to release the info pages without the requirement of invariant sections then those docs could be packaged in the free section. > [IMO: if Debian want to rip out the manuals, they need to replace them > with stubs that say where to get the real manuals.] This is almost exactly the argument that GNU has used for years against Debian. For years GNU has argued that Debian promotes nonfree software for exactly this issue. And here it would exactly the same thing with parties reversed. Oh the irony! It is sad that two of the most freedom promoting organizations are at opposite ends of this documentation issue. Both are principled. But with slightly different principles. Unfortunately users are caught in the middle between them. Sigh. Bob