From: Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Feeling lost without tabs
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 17:33:47 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140721171224360731426@bob.proulx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874myab9vm.fsf@debian.uxu>
Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Yeah? :) Then I have the coolest suggestion for you -
> why don't you have six keyboard - all in different
> colors and with no marks on them - at to vertical
> levels - on front, and one on each side?
If anyone does this please post a photo! :-)
> While I love shortcuts, actually, my dream would be to
> never use them but to have a complete 1-1
> physical/hardware-functional/software interface. Can
> you imagine how cool it would be to never, ever stumble
> on a shortcut?
Yes. But at some point the brain can become overloaded. I have some
ham radios that have had feature creep to the point that they are no
longer possible to be operated without the manual open beside them.
That is bad. Was it left function, right function, then action
button? Or was it push and hold left function 1s until beep, then
action button? Or right function hold 1s, left function, then action?
I have truly awful "computerized" radio like that. Others with less
features are more usable because sometimes you don't have the manual
in front of you.
> How do fighter pilots do it? Then it must be super-fast,
> and no "fumbling" can ever be allowed?
Actually no. I am a general aviation pilot (not a fighter pilot, I
fly taildragges) but the concept for fighters is HOTAS. Hands On
Throttle-And-Stick. Put the switches you need on either the throttle
or stick so they can be reached without removing hands from the flight
controls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOTAS
Mostly when you do need to manipulate a switch not on either throttle
or stick you keep one hand on the control stick, leave the throttle in
the friction lock to hold it in place, and use the throttle hand to
flip switches. And especially with radios there is always a lot of
fumbling.
> I remember a flight simulator for the Mac, F/A-18 Hornet. It took up
> almost the entire keyboard.
Because the keyboard is a general purpose interface for human text it
doesn't really make a good match to an airplane cockpit. Meaning that
it will be more complicated because there is a mapping from one to
another. The keys are binary. Most flight controls are analog. And
therefore all are a compromise.
Note that many modern airliners have a full keyboard in the cockpit.
It is useful for entering flight plans and other data specific
details. It folds up out of the way when not in active use. But in
that role it is dedicated again to the task and not mapped to flight
controls as in the games.
> It was considered very realistic (at the time) but I take it reality
> is even more complex.
More and less. When you are centered in the cockpit you can turn your
head and look around and everything makes sense around you. But in a
game display this is difficult to achieve. Plus the real aircraft
includes feeling the movement in your seat which also gives you
clues. Perhaps it is more like flying an RC aircraft.
> They say programmers often take to flying when they get
> rich... (E.g., Woz, speaking of the accursed Apple world.)
When I get rich I will let you know. Until then flying is one of the
things keeping me poor. But I wouldn't give up flying for money. It
is the other way around.
Bob
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[not found] <mailman.5726.1405828965.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 14:19 ` Feeling lost without tabs Dan Espen
2014-07-20 18:11 ` Bob Proulx
2014-07-20 18:34 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5777.1405879906.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 21:44 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 17:02 ` Bob Proulx
2014-07-20 23:52 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-21 22:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 23:33 ` Bob Proulx [this message]
2014-07-22 2:44 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-22 21:23 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5833.1405985639.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-22 22:02 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-08-04 1:20 ` OT: User Interfaces (was: Feeling lost without tabs) Bob Proulx
[not found] ` <mailman.6530.1407115234.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-08-04 22:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-20 18:28 ` Feeling lost without tabs Emanuel Berg
2015-11-03 14:07 ` swe20144
2015-11-03 14:21 ` Dan Espen
2015-11-03 15:22 ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-03 15:46 ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2015-11-03 17:31 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-03 17:47 ` Charles Philip Chan
2015-11-03 21:24 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-03 15:37 ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-03 16:25 ` editing, searching minibuffer content [was: Feeling lost without tabs] Drew Adams
2015-11-03 15:53 ` Feeling lost without tabs Aziz Yemloul
2015-11-03 15:56 ` Charles Philip Chan
2015-11-03 20:07 ` Bob Proulx
2015-11-03 23:48 ` Kendall Shaw
[not found] <mailman.5886.1406078772.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-23 2:29 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] <mailman.5882.1406068755.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-22 23:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-23 1:25 ` Robert Thorpe
[not found] <mailman.5835.1405987077.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-22 21:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-22 22:32 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-07-20 1:47 Sampath Weerasinghe
2014-07-20 4:08 ` Yuri Khan
2014-07-20 4:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20 5:12 ` Yuri Khan
2014-07-20 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-20 16:48 ` Yuri Khan
2014-07-20 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-07-21 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-07-22 3:51 ` Yuri Khan
[not found] ` <mailman.5771.1405874938.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 18:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 3:56 ` Yuri Khan
2014-07-20 7:19 ` Bob Proulx
[not found] ` <mailman.5741.1405840784.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-20 18:36 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-20 23:48 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-21 0:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 1:08 ` Charles Philip Chan
2014-07-21 2:25 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-21 16:25 ` Bob Proulx
2014-07-22 0:57 ` Robert Thorpe
[not found] ` <mailman.5823.1405959942.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 18:04 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-21 21:05 ` Bob Proulx
[not found] ` <mailman.5831.1405976742.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-21 21:22 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-21 21:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 23:57 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-07-22 2:33 ` Dan Espen
2014-07-22 21:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 21:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-21 21:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-20 5:22 ` Tak Kunihiro
[not found] ` <mailman.5729.1405830475.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-22 15:14 ` Javier
2014-07-22 15:32 ` Ken Goldman
2014-07-22 21:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2014-07-23 0:57 ` Javier
2014-07-23 2:21 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.5871.1406043177.1147.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2014-07-22 21:03 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <<lqlv3t$hog$1@speranza.aioe.org>
2014-07-22 17:03 ` Drew Adams
2014-07-20 6:25 ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-07-20 9:20 ` Kevin Le Gouguec
2014-07-20 17:36 ` Drew Adams
2014-07-20 18:02 ` Robert Thorpe
2014-08-16 21:13 ` Marcin Borkowski
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