From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com> Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Learning "my emacs" from the start (was: Generating a listing of all symbols) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:01:28 -0600 Message-ID: <20140421190128.GA3043@hysteria.proulx.com> References: <3defe928-5d2e-4d3b-bc26-f595f275f840@googlegroups.com> <mailman.19908.1397981214.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> <19937386-3859-46d4-9677-ed2f1b8c5698@googlegroups.com> <20140420171311.GA27790@hysteria.proulx.com> <mailman.19947.1398019903.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> <856f5985-738c-4842-a05b-c3023f598c55@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398106917 7939 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2014 19:01:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:01:57 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 21:01:53 2014 Return-path: <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org> Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org>) id 1WcJTU-0003GY-UK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:01:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50898 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org>) id 1WcJTU-0003Zl-Jz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:01:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59819) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <bob@proulx.com>) id 1WcJTE-0003Ym-HD for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:01:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <bob@proulx.com>) id 1WcJT8-0007Du-DO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:01:36 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:50226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <bob@proulx.com>) id 1WcJT8-0007AB-6P for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:01:30 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D321021833 for <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C59E32DC3E; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:01:28 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <856f5985-738c-4842-a05b-c3023f598c55@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor <help-gnu-emacs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/options/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs> List-Post: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs>, <mailto:help-gnu-emacs-request@gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97301 Archived-At: <http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help/97301> Rusi wrote: > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Bob Proulx wrote > > > One problem is that the standard emacs keys appear to be changing. I > > > like the traditional emacs keys. But many people prefer CUA mode. > > > CUA mode drives me crazy. Much of my .emacs file is to change things > > > back to traditional settings. > > > > The standard keybindings are changing (slowly) to be more friendly to > > newcomers. We the veteran users count less, since we already know how > > to customize Emacs to behave like we are used to. > > Thank you for these sentiments! Sorry but I disagree. Unfortunately that sounds all too much like the common, "I love you. You're perfect. Now change." :-( I really don't mind people creating new modes and new programs with different keybindings. That's great. It is only when that breaks it for existing users that I think it is bad. Bob