From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dale Snell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: .emacs poser Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:32:47 -0800 Organization: Organization? Me? ROFL!! Message-ID: <20131216213247.6043ba4b@zothique> References: <87wqj4p720.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87fvpsp3oy.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> Reply-To: ddsnell@frontier.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1387258395 16566 80.91.229.3 (17 Dec 2013 05:33:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:33:15 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 17 06:33:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnHP-0005WK-PC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 06:33:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59749 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnHP-0006yu-BX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 00:33:15 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39030) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnH9-0006yl-EG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 00:33:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnH3-00088l-0p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 00:32:59 -0500 Original-Received: from filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.183.234]:39825) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VsnH2-00088h-RX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 00:32:52 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0071E24C2FB for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: from relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.164]) by localhost (filter04.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.234]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id YH+q1vthCyOU for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:32:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Originating-IP: [50.39.124.220] X-Previous-IP: 50.39.124.220 Original-Received: from zothique (50-39-124-220.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net [50.39.124.220]) by relay01.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6F2986095 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2013 05:32:47 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87fvpsp3oy.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.2 (GTK+ 2.24.22; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 66.133.183.234 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:95039 Archived-At: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 04:16:04 +0100 Emanuel Berg wrote: > Dale Snell writes: >=20 > > I can't speak for European keyboards. >=20 > The US layout is better for programming but those chars > are not as goofy as those you use. Semi-colon, and all > the brackets, are better placed on the US layout > keyboard, and for whatever language-specific chars you > need, there is the compose key. The compose key is good. Now if I could just set my system up so that the Windows-Menu key worked as a compose key in both X and Linux VTs. > Which by the way is another solution that I think is > much better than setting this up in Emacs. >=20 > > and the ever popular copyright (=C2=A9), trademark (=E2=84=A2), > > and registered trademark signs (=C2=AE). >=20 > Serious? Serious, unfortunately. Twas Corporate Policy. Any brand or trade name must be given the proper attribution and trademark symbol. So things like "Microsoft Word" became "Microsoft=C2=AE Word=C2=AE". Every. Freaking. Time. Arrgh. > > If I need anything more demanding, like en and em > > dashes, or primes instead of quotes, I'll fire up a > > text processor >=20 > A word processor? Like OpenOffice or Word? Gak! No! Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons, no! TEXT processor. I loathe word processores, Word, LibreOffice, Abiword, whatever. They give me the screaming heebie-geebies whenever I have to use one of them. Give me Emacs and Groff or TeX. > > There are certain organizations that want their > > documents written in a certain format, which may > > include Pilcrow and Section marks, and other such > > things. Happily, I don't deal with those. (Again, > > I'd use LaTeX or Groff for that.) >=20 > Groff! Wow, you are a man (pun) of many surprises. Is > that used outside of the Unix manpages world? Well, obviously I use it. (I find Groff with the Mom macro set very comfortable to use when writing prose.) But yes, there are folks who don't write man pages who use Groff. Some write books with it, both technical and fiction. It's not as flexible as TeX, but then, what is? That said, if I had to write a math-heavy book, or one with lots of nuclear chemistry, I'd use TeX. Groff and eqn are nice for light math work, but TeX is the Queen! of beautiful math. > LaTeX is great obviously. I would drop the word > processor and use Emacs (or Vim) + LaTeX. If I didn't have Groff, I'd go with LaTeX, definitely. With Emacs, of course. (BTW, does anybody still use Lout?) > > That's limiting yourself. If you need accented > > characters, learn how to enter them in a general way, > > not just specific words. >=20 > It is not about *ability*, it is about *speed* and > *ergonomics* and *limiting the mental effort* when > doing a routine thing, as typing. To memorize and type > some four or five hit combination just to get a goofy > char that is (almost) never used doesn't make sense. Time for the compose key? :-) Honestly, I've used the "C-x 8" sequence so much it's second nature by now. But I think we'll have to agree to disagree, here. I am going to investigate Drew's ucs-cmds.el library; it looks interesting. Besides, I think we're getting a bit off-topic here. --Dale -- I recall hearing that highly-classified data must be destroyed by physically shredding the medium. Yes, throw your disk drive in the shredder! (Just imagine the class of machinery required to digest an RA81 HDA.) -- Mark Wood on linux-kernel