From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: making software with Emacs and Elisp Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:29:10 +0200 Organization: WMI UAM Message-ID: <20131023012910.7895e8e8@aga-netbook> References: <87ob6k23t3.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87d2mw52sh.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382484568 26286 80.91.229.3 (22 Oct 2013 23:29:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:29:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 23 01:29:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VYlOH-0007B8-9E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:29:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47019 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYlOG-00015F-Ji for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:29:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYlO3-00012g-0k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:29:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYlNy-0006Fu-DO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:29:18 -0400 Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([2001:808:114:2::50]:49315) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VYlNy-0006Eu-29 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2013 19:29:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6785C52DB8 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D9yr8ag4YUq7 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:29:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from aga-netbook (99-52.echostar.pl [213.156.99.52]) by msg.wmi.amu.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3289752DB1 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 01:29:12 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87d2mw52sh.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.8.1 (GTK+ 2.24.17; i686-pc-linux-gnu) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:808:114:2::50 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:94156 Archived-At: Dnia 2013-10-23, o godz. 01:00:21 Emanuel Berg napisa=C5=82(a): > Marcin Borkowski writes: >=20 > > I understand that you want to develop your application > > in "EmacsOS" >=20 > You are actually the *third* person who brought up the > "OS" aspect with me. I never thought of Emacs that way. I had to - most of my friend use Vim, and Emacs being an OS is a recurring joke of them (see below). > Well, it isn't like the Linux kernel because it is > interactive, and it doesn't access and allocate hardware > to a pool of processes. For example, if you run a shell > command from Emacs, that is continuous/background in > character, isn't that run next to Emacs, with the kernel > doing the multitasking, rather than on top of Emacs, and > Emacs doing the scheduling etc.? >=20 > But you may also include other stuff in a definition of > "OS", like the libraries, the tools, the interface... In > that sense I agree Emacs is very much an OS, perhaps > even the best there is! Yes. More of a window manager, or desktop environment than OS. (But remember the old joke: "Emacs is actually a nice OS, it only lacks a decent ASCII editor." NB.: each time I'm told this joke, I reply with this one: "Why are Vim users so egocentric? Because they begin each sentence with `I'.") =20 > But (in the kernel "OS" interpretation), that's overkill > for my purposes, I don't need to spawn processes/threads > and all that, I just need to be able to execute my Elisp > software elsewhere, the same way it is executed on my > machine. True. > Doesn't for example Python code work everywhere, as long > as you have a Python interpreter? (I never did Python.) > Something like that would be enough, and I suppose the > Elisp interpreter is... Emacs. Yes, but in Emacs you get the UI for free, with all the nice editing stuff. (Probably Python with GTK or Qt or whatever is a rough equivalent - well, minus the nice editing stuff, of course.) > > One thing that comes to mind is Clojure (with which I > > have zero experience), but it gives you the benefits > > of Lisp, of portability (at least as much as Java > > does) and of libraries (read JVM). >=20 > Yeah, I'm not doing Java, and as for Clojure, I don't > feel like learning anything brand new at the moment. You > could easily do that you entire life (learn new > things). Right now, I'm more into doing something with > what I know right now. Understood. > There are so many Lisp dialects. I what way is Clojure > more portable? It compiles to Java bytecode. And you have access to Java libraries. (But again, maybe one should beware of Java. As another joke says: Someone had a problem, and decided to use Java. Now he has a ProblemFactory.) Best, --=20 Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Adam Mickiewicz University