From: Bob Proulx <bob@proulx.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving?
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:27:29 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131015062729.GA28863@hysteria.proulx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87li1va56r.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se>
Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Christopher Ritsen writes:
> > Right now, that is strictly org-mode for emacs, and
> > vim for most of my text-editing and coding.
>
> Yeah, that would be one division that is possible (and
> even sensible, if there isn't anything like org-mode for
> Vim), but I think the "gosh wow" reaction is of *mixing*
> Vim and Emacs for *the same type* of task, or tasks that
> are very similar (e.g., two programming languages).
I don't know. I have always switched back and forth between emacs and
vi as made sense for me at the moment. If the machine didn't have
emacs then I used vi. If I wanted to *quickly* start an editor and
edit something like /etc/fstab and exit it then I would use vi. But
if I were going to spend several hours in an editor writing C code
then I would always use emacs for that type of activity.
Being bilingual is not that difficult if you are actually fluent in
the two. I don't even think about it. My fingers just go.
> And I think that is a bad move. If we (humans) lived for
> 400 years, perhaps.
Why? Because of the time for the learning curve? That is, it takes a
long time to learn something well?
> In general, isn't it true that "what works" is obvious
> from day one, and then it is much better perfecting it,
> than jumping between different things?
If you look at a workbench of a wood craftsman you will find a variety
of chisels, a variety of hammers, saws, planes, and other tools.
There isn't a single tool that does everything best. It is often good
to have a variety of tools available.
Also language shapes the way you think. If all you have is a hammer
then every problem looks like a nail.
> Even a king of
> Ithaca, that is so creative in solving the island's
> zillion problem, for the same task, I think he uses the
> same method every time, as long as it works.
>
> > I'm not planning on dropping one for the other, but my
> > assumption is that most people wouldn't want or have
> > the time to configure both (especially if it's not
> > possible to use either at work) and lose objectivity
> > about using the best tool for the job.
>
> Yeah, but it is not *only* the tool, is it? It is the
> *hands*, *eyes*, and *brain*, as well. If those are as
> good for any tool, yes, but isn't that unrealistic,
> perhaps even impossible?
>
> Am I making any sense here? :)
Sorry. You lost me along the way. I think I didn't make that left
turn at Albuquerque. :-)
Bob
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2013-08-26 22:43 Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27 0:05 ` Perry Smith
2013-08-27 0:25 ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
2013-08-27 9:07 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-08-27 23:52 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28 3:03 ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2013-08-29 0:39 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-08-28 20:19 ` Ken Goldman
2013-08-29 0:25 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-28 20:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-03 19:25 ` Ken Goldman
[not found] ` <mailman.3330.1380828355.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-10-03 19:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 21:09 ` W. Greenhouse
[not found] ` <mailman.907.1377724222.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-28 21:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 2:04 ` Kevin Montuori
[not found] ` <mailman.935.1377741861.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-29 2:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 3:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 7:59 ` W. Greenhouse
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2013-08-29 20:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 21:05 ` Drew Adams
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2013-08-29 21:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 23:37 ` Drew Adams
[not found] ` <mailman.996.1377819467.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-30 0:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-29 22:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30 1:32 ` MBR
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2013-08-30 2:26 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 11:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-30 12:21 ` Ludwig, Mark
2013-08-30 13:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-29 23:50 ` Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto
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2013-08-30 0:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 1:23 ` Jorge
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2013-08-30 2:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-30 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-08-30 16:24 ` Jorge
2013-10-04 11:30 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-10-04 21:59 ` Jude DaShiell
2013-10-04 23:16 ` Bob Proulx
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2013-10-04 23:35 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-06 12:07 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-06 21:50 ` Evans Winner
2013-10-09 19:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 4:27 ` Teemu Likonen
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2013-10-10 5:25 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10 8:24 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 22:18 ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-11 10:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-10 10:36 ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-10 11:00 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-10-10 15:16 ` Peter Dyballa
2013-10-11 11:06 ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-12 22:01 ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-14 11:04 ` Phillip Lord
2013-10-14 16:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 19:25 ` Christopher Ritsen
2013-10-15 11:30 ` Phillip Lord
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2013-10-15 17:56 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-14 21:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-15 6:27 ` Bob Proulx [this message]
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2013-10-15 17:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-16 4:56 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17 1:45 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-13 2:36 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-10 13:04 ` Carson Chittom
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2013-10-10 20:44 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-10 20:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 10:56 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-10-11 19:06 ` Bob Proulx
2013-10-12 7:48 ` Andreas Röhler
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2013-10-12 20:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 23:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 0:05 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-11 5:58 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
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2013-10-11 17:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-09 19:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 2:28 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 21:30 ` Tom Davey
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2013-10-09 21:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-10 16:24 ` henry atting
2013-10-11 5:19 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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2013-10-04 17:45 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-04 19:28 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
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2013-10-04 20:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-08 11:36 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-09 19:43 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-13 14:47 ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 15:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-13 17:52 ` Eric Brown
2013-10-13 18:13 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-10-13 19:23 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-08-27 1:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-27 23:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 0:20 ` Marko Vojinovic
2013-08-28 1:56 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-28 1:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 0:35 ` Marc Weber
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2013-08-28 1:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 3:25 ` Marc Weber
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2013-08-28 4:08 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-28 20:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 20:37 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-28 1:39 ` Jorge
2013-10-12 13:39 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 15:30 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 20:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-10-12 20:57 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 20:58 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-12 21:01 ` Kai Grossjohann
2013-10-12 21:14 ` Drew Adams
2013-10-12 21:15 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-10-13 15:25 ` Emanuel Berg
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