From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bob Proulx Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 22:30:07 -0600 Message-ID: <20130505043007.GB5537@hysteria.proulx.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367728222 16350 80.91.229.3 (5 May 2013 04:30:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 04:30:22 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 05 06:30:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqaa-0006aO-N3 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 06:30:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53344 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqaa-0003Hn-9o for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:30:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37965) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqaQ-0003FT-AS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqaP-0007Yo-E8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:30:10 -0400 Original-Received: from joseki.proulx.com ([216.17.153.58]:54528) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYqaP-0007Yk-5e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 May 2013 00:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from hysteria.proulx.com (hysteria.proulx.com [192.168.230.119]) by joseki.proulx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FC02211DA for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 22:30:08 -0600 (MDT) Original-Received: by hysteria.proulx.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 065D92DC40; Sat, 4 May 2013 22:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 216.17.153.58 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90490 Archived-At: Steven Degutis wrote: > I'm so tired of how Emacs so desperately clings onto the 80s and 90s. I am so tired of how people take current working tools and modify them to be something completely different that breaks it for everyone who was using it. GNOME 3 is a good recent example but there are others before it. If you want to take emacs, or any other tool, and fork it off and go into a different direction that is great! I fully support you doing that. Emacs has been forked many times already. That is one of the awesome things about free(dom) software. It gives you the ability to modify and customize it. If you think emacs is backwards then write it your way reversed. Call it "scame" because it wouldn't be emacs. But don't break the existing emacs users to build that new tool. Just build that new tool. Don't make your gain a loss for others. "I love you. You are perfect. Now change." I *hate* that! > So many of its defaults are idiotic, so many legacy features it tries > to support are just terrible and useless. Then fork it and do your own thing! But please don't break it for me. > I often wish there was a modern emacs clone that dropped all these > legacy features. Do it! The source is there for you. Or start clean with an empty directory. There are no limits. Bob