From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:54:29 +0000 Message-ID: <20081107105429.GB2707@muc.de> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <7b5a888e-d50f-4061-8854-9832b9330411@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226055677 7432 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 11:01:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 12:02:20 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyP6M-00038a-AA for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:02:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38620 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyP5F-0007vq-2N for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 06:00:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyOoK-0003rE-PE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:43:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyOoH-0003qB-Gn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:43:26 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=32877 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyOoE-0003pu-Gw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:43:23 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:1326 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyOoE-0002fj-Ev for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:43:22 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 13675 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Nov 2008 10:43:20 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E52BA9.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.43.169]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:43:16 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3714 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 2008 10:54:29 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7b5a888e-d50f-4061-8854-9832b9330411@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59553 Archived-At: Dear Xah genius, On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 06:02:26PM -0800, Xah wrote: > Dear Alan idiot, Hey, just what I need after getting up in the morning. ;-( > the argument, was about whether the numerical keypad was useless. Here > i quote Xavier Maillard: > Xavier wrote: > «At work, I still have oldies that still do not support these keys. > What's more, directional keys are one of the dumbest addition one > could have thought off (in my opinion). The same apply for numerical > keypad: what are they useful for exactly ? Is it that hard to press > shift+& (for the azerty keyboard) to get a 1 ? Or press C-b to move > point left ? I do not think so.» > He, in short, Xavier are idiotic to the degree to claim that the > numerical keypads or the physical arrow keys are useless or extremely > stupid design. Not at all. He's merely saying, in a somewhat polemic way, that he doesn't find them useful himself, and is mystified that other people do. That doesn't make him an idiot. [ .... ] > I'm sorry for calling you and Xavier idiots. Perhaps it is insulting, > but sometimes that's the best way to make people understand. If you are sorry, why do you do it? It is indeed insulting, and it is NEVER the best way to persuade people of anything. The effect on me is that I take you a little less seriously that I otherwise would, which is surely not what you want. A tip: get hold of a copy of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence People" (yes, it is a real book, first published last century), read it and do what it says. > Most tech geekers are idiots, when they express opinions other than > technical details of programing languages. Most? Not all? Am I an idiot when I say what I think about equal temperament tuning, or how best to learn to do "chops" with three juggling clubs, or why assuming the axiom of choice is a poor choice? If by "tech geeker" you meant somebody whose only expertise is in programming, you might be right, but how many of these are there really? RMS plays the flute, for example. ESR shoots guns, and probably would love to kill somebody. ;-) > please let me know if you'd like me to respond to more parts of your > message. I might give it a swirl. I'm always delighted to read your responses. > For example, in other part your post, you said something idiotic about > the use of Shift key, then Rupert Swarbrick put in 60 words post that > effectively says ???yeah, i still use emacs thru telnet too!!!??? Can you > imagine, soon other tech geeker will chime in and insist emacs is > still used thru telnet? and soon more tech geeker will insist that > Emacs is not technically a Microsoft Word? :-) What I said was, I think, true. People do use Emacs over comms lines. Emacs developers actively resist the "tyranny of the majority". > O, btw, have you decided on the $50 paypal sincerity contest? I mean, > about a month ago, i complained that we had too many debates that went > no where in the past year, so perhaps we could pitch in $50 real money, > .... It's quite some time since USA dollars were real money. .... ;-) > ....., so that we have something real to backup our mouths. You didn't > respond. But now you are all over me with long winded posts. Is this > your sense of tea party? Well, the FSF's offices are in Boston, so maybe that's not so inappropriate. ;-) But Xah Lee moaning about long winded posts? Wow! > Xah -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).