From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:04:24 +0000 Message-ID: <20081107100424.GA2707@muc.de> References: <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <107214be-5812-4519-bc29-a52f391f09a3@v13g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <2988b05b-9cc3-4407-a09f-cc334ad8f3c2@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1226051635 26505 80.91.229.12 (7 Nov 2008 09:53:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:53:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Xah Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 07 10:54:57 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KyO3K-0007XP-Fc for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:54:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53135 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyO2C-00084q-N4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:53:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyO1n-00084j-Dm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:53:19 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KyO1l-00084H-Kv for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:53:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47408 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KyO1l-00084C-GT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:53:17 -0500 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:4559 helo=mail.muc.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KyO1l-0006bm-DB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:53:17 -0500 Original-Received: (qmail 869 invoked by uid 3782); 7 Nov 2008 09:53:14 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (pD9E52BA9.dip.t-dialin.net [217.229.43.169]) by colin2.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 10:53:11 +0100 Original-Received: (qmail 3070 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Nov 2008 10:04:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2988b05b-9cc3-4407-a09f-cc334ad8f3c2@i24g2000prf.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.5 (Fettercairn) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 4.6-4.9 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59550 Archived-At: Morning, Xah! On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 05:01:12PM -0800, Xah wrote: > On Nov 6, 8:32 am, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > A happy post-USA-election day to you, Xah! > it is fantastic that Obama won! And yesterday in Scotland, the Labour party, the party of British government, held on to their parliamentary seat for Glenrothes, against the strong expectation that the Scottish National Party, the party of Scottish government, would win it. > > I think, by his description, he does. "Touch type" meaning "not > > having to look at the keyboard to type". > using 6 fingers instead 10 is not considered touch typing. "Is not considered" :-). I don't think we should be so concerned to divide people (or even things) into categories. Pluto is just the same lump of rock and ice it always was, whether we call it a planet or not. Of course, there's also the possibility that the man only has 6 usable fingers. It works for him. > > Well, this "tech geeker", me (who is possibly your biggest fan > > amongst all "tech geekers" ;-), does indeed touch type. He has also > > used various versions of MS Windows extensively, and has dabbled on a > > Mac from time to time. > Recently you asked me a bunch of questions on Aquamac in > ???comp.lang.lisp???. I was surprised you didn't know the answers for > someone who insists on some opinions about emacs UI. Aquamacs is > relevant because it modernize emacs wholesale and it is probably most > popular emacs on the Mac platform. I don't know any Mac Emacs users, so I couldn't comment on its popularity. But we've had this discussion several times. Modern isn't necessarily better. Modern is easier for newbies familiar with other programs to learn, but there's no evidence that, once learnt, it's any better than the classic Emacs UI. Do you address this matter anywhere in your online essays? My own experience is that Emacs's classic UI is much better. One reason to believe Emacs UI should be superior is that it was developed by the people who use it, for their own use. > Xah -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).