From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: vb Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: current directory Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:59:02 -0700 Message-ID: <200610231359.03037.help-gnu-emacs@vsbe.com> References: <200610231024.37118.help-gnu-emacs@vsbe.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1161637220 31705 80.91.229.2 (23 Oct 2006 21:00:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kevin Rodgers Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 23 23:00:19 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6tx-0005kL-OQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:00:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6tv-0007qL-GR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:00:03 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6t7-0007hk-HX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6t6-0007gC-2k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Gc6t5-0007fv-QZ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [217.160.230.40] (helo=mout.perfora.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Gc6t5-0005sF-Sf for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [66.17.149.13] (helo=dhcp-10-64-129-2.riverstonenet.com) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrelayus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKp2t-1Gc6t106l7-0003wc; Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:59:11 -0400 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:105503e63a43ed9a8b379992658ba53b X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:38222 Archived-At: Kevin, thank you for the hint on Crisp emulation - I tried it before, and it did not work quite as expected - I just tried it again, and it still doesn't - say the numeric keypad asterisk which is an 'undo' key in Crisp doesn't work this way. Window navigation (Shift->arrow key) doesn't work either, but I am sure it all is fixable. A bigger issue is that a big macro library can not be reused between Crisp and Emacs (not that I think this is even feasible to expect between any two editors). On Monday 23 October 2006 13:32, Kevin Rodgers wrote: > > > You > > can write macros in object oriented c-like language, not in this > > weird lisp > > > which is a remnant of computing stone age (I know, I know that it is > > still > > > used to teach students). > > Good grief. Yeah, well, I was half kidding. My daughter graduated from UCB CS program recently - I watched her learn and use schema - she sure would be quite comfortable with Emacs macro extensions. But believe me, not all (and I would bet not even a majority) of Emacs users came through a CS program teaching schema - for all of us it is so weird to adjust to Lisp after some most popular in the industry programming languages (be it C/C++ or Java or Perl/PHP - whatever people use to earn living these days) so many don't even try. I understand it's too late to expect Emacs to switch to another scripting language, but I sure think the need to use lisp is a deficiency. cheers, /vb