From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim Johnson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n... why? Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:22:48 -0900 Message-ID: <20051212232248.GV1806@johnsons-web.com> References: <1133329096.909577.80790@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <11pmkm7sol448a9@corp.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134430943 16749 80.91.229.2 (12 Dec 2005 23:42:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 13 00:42:19 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElxHJ-0001LH-8t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:40:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElxHo-0008Ry-1Z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:40:52 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Elx07-00083h-DN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:22:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Elx05-00082W-5D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:22:34 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Elx04-00082P-TB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:22:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [208.218.214.5] (helo=postoffice.cniweb.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Elx1s-0008Gt-6o for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:24:24 -0500 Original-Received: from linus.johnson.com (rdbck-static-445.palmer.mtaonline.net [64.4.232.191]) by postoffice.cniweb.net (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBCNLFpB028241 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:21:20 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from linus.johnson.com (localhost.johnson.com [127.0.0.1]) by linus.johnson.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBCNMmwr010528 for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:22:48 -0900 Original-Received: (from tim@localhost) by linus.johnson.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id jBCNMmew010526 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:22:48 -0900 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Followup-To: Tim Johnson , help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:31921 Archived-At: * Eli Zaretskii [051212 13:37]: <.....> > I have yet to see a keyboard with arrow keys close to the rest of the > keys. They are always somewhere on the fringes. > So, habits aside, I use a small footprint logitech keyboard like the one shown here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000BVBJS/sr=1-217/qid=1134429115/ref=sr_1_217/104-6609881-4501504?%5Fencoding=UTF8 The arrow keys are below SHIFT and the the right of the spacebar, and are handy as an option, certainly much handier than the standard keyboard configuration - but the control key combinations are still preferable to me, so it is nice to have the choice. And I have a stand-alone numeric keypad on the left, with a trackball on the right. I find as a programmer that the less I move my hands the more productive I have and the less typing errors. > the distance to C-f is shorter than to the right arrow key, and that > is an objective fact. Of course, people might prefer a less efficient > way, e.g., if they type so slowly that the additional time is > negligible. In the *nix environment similar key combinations can be used widely in other applications: i.e. midnight commander, the shell and netscape, as just examples. tim -- Tim Johnson http://www.alaska-internet-solutions.com