From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Fredrik Staxeng Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: M-TAB already used by KDE Date: 19 Dec 2002 16:36:45 +0100 Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1mn0n2owaa.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> References: <3dfe3ea4.1245206@news.cis.dfn.de> <1my96ndvtq.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <1mr8cfq9uv.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <1m8yymqkx7.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE> <84k7i63x1p.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040313392 30192 80.91.224.249 (19 Dec 2002 15:56:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 15:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18P32E-0007qo-00 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 16:56:30 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18P2mb-0000Eh-0B for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2002 10:40:21 -0500 Original-Newsgroups: comp.emacs,gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 49 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.update.uu.se Original-X-Trace: puffinus.its.uu.se 1040311242 news.update.uu.se (19 Dec 2002 16:20:42 +0100) Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!puffinus.its.uu.se Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.emacs:76551 gnu.emacs.help:108299 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4829 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4829 >> On the other hand, Super and Hyper are unambigously distinct from >> Meta/Alt. That is, instead of putting mappings on Alt, which >> assumes a Sun keyboard, put them on Super. > >And what do people do who had Super bindings before? Unless they also were using Alt (not Meta) bindings, things will continue to work as before. People who were using Alt bindings before would have to move them though. But I was talking about bindings in /usr/share/emacs/21.2/lisp, that is default bindings delivered with Emacs. Are there any Super bindings there that might clash with the Alt bindings that are there? >You are suggestion to remove modifiers. This is not a good idea. >People with foot pedals will hate you! What's the name in Emacs for mod5? If there is somebody using more than three distinct modifiers (five including Shift and Control), then obviously a name could be invented for them. I think the pain would be miniscule, and that the gain in clarity would be worth it. It is hard to discuss technical matters without precise terminology, as can be seen from the perennial "Why doesn't my delete key work?" threads. But perhaps not. Maybe there are a number of users with very elaborate modifier maps. Then probably my two variables should be replaced by a single alist, x-modifiers, with default value '((alt . meta) (meta . meta)) x-alt-is-super would be '((alt . super) (meta . meta)) x-meta-is-super would be '((alt . meta) (meta . super)) Present default: '((alt . alt) (meta . meta)) A Sun users forced onto a PC: '((alt . meta) (meta . alt)) A user with a full octave foot pedal '((mod6 . c) (mod7 . ciss) (mod8 . d) (mod9 . diss) >Yes. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll have to think about that >"overengineered" part. Hmmm... I said "a bit overengineered". Nothing like, say the Solaris print spooler. -- Fredrik Stax\"ang | rot13: sfgk@hcqngr.hh.fr