set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Presto]

Executing the following two lines of code does not seem to result in
any difference in the font width:

(set-face-attribute 'default nil :family "andale mono" :width
'condensed)
(set-face-attribute 'default nil :family "andale mono" :width
'normal)

The Andale Mono font is too widely spaced in my opinion; I would like
to make it more condensed. Can this be achieved?

Environment: Mac OS 10.5.1, Emacs 22.1.50.1

Re: set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Jason Rumney]

On 23 Nov, 11:55, Presto <prest...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The Andale Mono font is too widely spaced in my opinion; I would like
> to make it more condensed. Can this be achieved?

Only if a condensed variant of the font is available and installed
AFAIK.

Re: set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Presto]

On Nov 23, 3:46 pm, Jason Rumney <jasonrum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Only if a condensed variant of the font is available and installed
> AFAIK.

In Leopard's Terminal I can choose Andale Mono and adjust the
character spacing with a slider control, so I thought this was a
dynamically calculated feature. I'm hoping Emacs works the same way.

Re: set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 23.11.2007 um 14:21 schrieb Presto:

> In Leopard's Terminal I can choose Andale Mono and adjust the
> character spacing with a slider control, so I thought this was a
> dynamically calculated feature. I'm hoping Emacs works the same way.


Neither Carbon Emacsen nor Emacs.app support this. Yet.

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Re: set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Presto]

On Nov 23, 5:56 pm, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyba...@Web.DE> wrote:
> Am 23.11.2007 um 14:21 schrieb Presto:
>
> > In Leopard's Terminal I can choose Andale Mono and adjust the
> > character spacing with a slider control, so I thought this was a
> > dynamically calculated feature. I'm hoping Emacs works the same way.
>
> Neither Carbon Emacsen nor Emacs.app support this. Yet.

Thanks for the information. Is there any hack (possibly involving
building from source) with which I could set character spacing? Even
setting a constant for all fonts would suffice.

Alternatively, is there a source code file in CVS that I can track to
discover when support is added? (Looking at commit logs)

-m

Re: set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 23.11.2007 um 16:18 schrieb Presto:

> Is there any hack (possibly involving
> building from source) with which I could set character spacing? Even
> setting a constant for all fonts would suffice.

There is, quite certainly. The (Japanese) Carbon Emacs (Package)  
contains some extra ELisp files, that do some font manipulation. I  
never tried to understand what they're doing, but they need to do  
some adjustments that CJK glyphs can be combined with Latin ones,  
which probably is a common case. But: they don't work perfectly in  
case faces are mixed (regular with variants).

>
> Alternatively, is there a source code file in CVS that I can track to
> discover when support is added? (Looking at commit logs)


There is one big problem with this approach: the development for Mac  
OS X has stopped. Carbon Emacsen are based mostly on stable GNU Emacs  
code, i.e. GNU Emacs 22.1 (or 22.2?). Emacs.app is based on 23.0.60  
code.

I've seen that both Carbon Emacs and the Cocoa Emacs.app support the  
typical Mac OS X font panel. From this you can choose also  
"Typographical Features" that some fonts have. Changes made here, for  
example more or less space between characters, are not applied to the  
frame, and neither colour or shadow. This looks as if some parts of  
ATSUI are not fully enabled ... I'd wish it was, because some mono- 
spaced fonts seem to have incorrect values recorded for some  
dimensions and some adjustment by hand would be fine.


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Re: set-face-attribute width condensed/expanded no difference? (Mac)

[Xah Lee]

about choosing a font with narrow spacing ...

In carbon emacs, you can turn on a bunch of unicode fonts that
wouldn't normally show.

do this:

; make available extra CJK-font for carbon emacs in the menu
(if (eq window-system 'mac) (require 'carbon-font))

currently i use the following font:

; about carbon emacs fonts, see /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/
Resources/site-lisp/mac/carbon-font.el
(if (featurep 'carbon-emacs-package) (fixed-width-set-default-fontset
"-*-*-medium-r-normal--14-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-hirakaku_w6"))

not sure how this compares to your desired narrowness but worth a
shot.

  Xah
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On Nov 23, 7:18 am, Presto <prest...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 23, 5:56 pm, Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyba...@Web.DE> wrote:
>
> > Am 23.11.2007 um 14:21 schrieb Presto:
>
> > > In Leopard's Terminal I can choose Andale Mono and adjust the
> > > character spacing with a slider control, so I thought this was a
> > > dynamically calculated feature. I'm hoping Emacs works the same way.
>
> > Neither Carbon Emacsen nor Emacs.app support this. Yet.
>
> Thanks for the information. Is there any hack (possibly involving
> building from source) with which I could set character spacing? Even
> setting a constant for all fonts would suffice.
>
> Alternatively, is there a source code file in CVS that I can track to
> discover when support is added? (Looking at commit logs)
>
> -m