From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: GianUberto.Lauri@eng.it (Gian Uberto Lauri) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:07:31 +0100 Message-ID: <17342.20339.265831.251364@paperoga.gianoziaorientale.it> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85mziasu6z.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <851wzmsqcs.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <43BD9505.9070309@student.lu.se> Reply-To: saint@eng.it NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136557900 25870 80.91.229.2 (6 Jan 2006 14:31:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, David Kastrup Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 15:31:33 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Euscs-0007aR-DS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:31:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eusee-0004uD-Co for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:33:20 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EupaX-0000tm-SO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:16:55 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EupWi-0000lT-RP for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:13:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EupTN-0000ch-Pm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:09:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.205.33.42] (helo=mail-relay-2.tiscali.it) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EupV6-00007J-2T; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 06:11:16 -0500 Original-Received: from paperoga.gianoziaorientale.it (217.133.20.189) by mail-relay-2.tiscali.it (7.2.069.1) id 4382FB7B0055F4CE; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:07:33 +0100 Original-To: Lennart Borgman In-Reply-To: <43BD9505.9070309@student.lu.se> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.10 X-attribution: CC X-Zippy: I think I'll make SCRAMBLED EGGS!! They're each in LITTLE SHELLS.. X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 09:09:48 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32498 Archived-At: >>>>> "LB" == Lennart Borgman writes: LB> David Kastrup wrote: >> The ability to craft a pretty MacOSX-only thing from Emacs is part >> of the value of free software. Doing so exercises the freedom, but >> it does nothing to sustain it. >> >> LB> In a sense you are right, but I wonder if this is really true. I LB> think it is important to be very careful here. Can you for sure LB> say that the last sentence is true? LB> From my perspective I doubt it. I have to use proprietary LB> software (read Windows) in my job. It is quite hard for me to be LB> able to use Emacs Until I managed to earn my right for a Linux box, I used Windows too and had no problem at all with Emacs from version 19. I did not install the last Emacs version in Windows, since I use Linux at work and boot eXtra Panzone (extra fat, even fatter than me, it's a joke that works in Italian only) only when I have to run a job reporting tool (read crap) that runs in excel, so I don't know how difficult it is. My opinion is that a S.O. specific thing is good as long as it does come as an add on on the standard Emacs that a user gets only if s?he needs it and explicitly requires it. So, since I use Emacs from version 19 under Unix, I would like to see that once installed on Windows it behaves the usual way (i.e. no cua stuff and so on). The same about Aqua Emacs. I used to run Mac OS X for about (then I kicked it out, it doesn't fit my needs) and compile CVS Emacs. I was glad I could use the apple key as Meta and Alt as super (i do the same with those keyboards with the flag key). Then a guy I know pointed out Aqua Emacs. I don't use Mac OS X any more, but gave a look to the site. I understand that long time mac users would love it, as does that guy. But let those customization be something someone activates only if he wants them, it's good to put them as default choice, but it has to be a choice. Personally, I would rather use old vi than the Aqua Emacs customization, but other people disagrees and everybody must be free to use the tool the way s?he wants. Even if I feel that they loose something not using Emacs the Emacs way. CUA and Mac OS X interface are too young and stubborn to have the wisdom that comes with 30 years of evolution. -- /\ ___ /___/\__|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_____________________ //--\ | | \| | Integralista GNUslamico \/ e allevatore di bug da competizione