From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: jdf23 Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:54:55 GMT Organization: What Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <171220020257413112%jdf23@some.email> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021253524057%ajanta@no.spam> <5l65u0i8zj.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <111220022053507599%ajanta@no.spam> <87u1hjdwta.fsf@hurd.crasseux.com> <121220021419243187%anil@null.invalid> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040115727 1757 80.91.224.249 (17 Dec 2002 09:02:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18ODc5-0000S2-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:02:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18ODar-0006oZ-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 04:00:49 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn14feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!207.115.63.142!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 35 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.36.176.21 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1040118895 ST000 67.36.176.21 (Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:54:55 CST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 03:54:55 CST X-UserInfo1: SCSYQNONTRUABPX[\JIH^TD@\JT@QDDMEPWXODMMHXMTWA]EP]RAQFW[ML\THRCKV^GGZKJMGV^^_JSCFFUA_QXFGVSCYRPILH]TRVKC^LSN@DX_HCAFX__@J\DAJBVMY\ZWZCZLPA^MVH_P@\\EOMW\YSXHG__IJQY_@M[A[[AXQ_XDSTAR]\PG]NVAQUVM Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:349106 gnu.emacs.help:108204 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4733 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4733 Lee Sau Dan wrote: > Anil> I think unix was conceptualized for small systems and > Anil> programs, where a user might know every file, where it came > Anil> from, what it does. > > Wrong. Unix has been designed to be a multi-concurrent-user system > since 3 decades ago. Unix systems used to be time-shared among > hundreds (in some cases thousands) of concurrent users. Normally, the > end users only know about a few subtree of the whole directory tree, > and that's enough for his work. Your sense of history is different. Some of us remember when you couldn't find "hundreds" of people who knew what unix was, and in unix at least, end users and beginning users were the same people. Even when hundreds of users materialized, they didn't have FSF to download programs from. > That why we hav package management tools, like RPM on RedHat and SuSE. Good for Red Hat and SuSE. Has it occured to you that there are other flavors of Linux, other versions of Unix, not to forget Mac OS X since the lead newsgroups in this thread are Mac groups? > Anil> Shouldn't you be able to know just what a particular file > Anil> named "dtabttf" doing on your system? > Unix programmers would have used a more descriptive filenames. Merely from looking at their names, I certainly can't always decipher what many of the unix files do. Nor can I always guess which program they might come form. > rpm -qf /etc/ntpd.conf No good on most Unix or even Linux systems.