From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: RE: `save-excursion' defeated by `set-buffer' Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:20:56 -0800 Message-ID: <16B0B6166DF5486B8DE35AAB358FF408@us.oracle.com> References: <4D792D16.1080900@easy-emacs.de><83y64ksoik.fsf@gnu.org> <4D7BC2D8.8080909@easy-emacs.de><30E9F44998C7420AADC221F883D8808F@us.oracle.com> <83aah0rsn7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1299968493 8748 80.91.229.12 (12 Mar 2011 22:21:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:21:33 +0000 (UTC) To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 12 23:21:29 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXBg-0008Mv-JN for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 23:21:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35917 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PyXBf-0007hI-V4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:21:28 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60752 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PyXBI-0007di-PS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:21:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXBH-0002kD-RS for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:21:04 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:37297) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PyXBG-0002j1-Ew; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:21:02 -0500 Original-Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p2CML02P013534 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:21:01 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p2CMKxdK007144 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:20:59 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt016.oracle.com (abhmt016.oracle.com [141.146.116.25]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p2CMKwxF027228; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:20:58 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.53.173) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:20:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83aah0rsn7.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Acvg8/CxZc2zmOPtTgO+HaqQ1FWLhAAC7vIQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 X-Source-IP: acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4D7BF1CB.0126,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 148.87.113.121 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:80040 Archived-At: > > The mere fact that Eli Z and David K have very different > > interpretations of the potential problem(s) > > I didn't interpret anything. I just read what Stefan wrote, and > perhaps misunderstood him (though I don't think so). I stand corrected. Eli has apparently not yet interpreted the warning message. (Dunno if that helps.) I should have said that Eli and David seem to have very different understandings of Stefan's _explanation_ of what the warning message means. That in itself does not argue very strongly in favor of such a warning, does it? Stefan is the one behind the existence of this warning, AFAIK (and the wording? dunno). He has several times now tried to explain it to people who are confused (or annoyed) by it. And yet (after emacs-devel discussions on and off since 2009) Eli and David apparently interpret Stefan's explanations very differently... If the warning message is unclear (to some at least), and the explanations of what the message is about are also unclear (to some seasoned Emacs vets at least), then maybe that's a sign - no? > Anyway, this entire discussion is misplaced. The right place to > discuss this warning is on emacs-devel, if anywhere. 1. We've been there and done that. 2. Emacs-devel is no longer the only appropriate place to discuss or explain this warning. Now that the warning is out there in the wild and they are coming into contact with it, users too are asking about it (in help-gnu-emacs). FWIW, personally I've made my peace with it. I thought this controversy was over and dead. But users will continue to discover the warning anew. I doubt that we have heard the last of it, regardless of what the message might really mean.