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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-09 16:55 A. Soare
  2009-01-09 18:10 ` Fraktur Peter Dyballa
  2009-01-10  9:15 ` Fraktur Florian Beck
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-09 16:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


> 
> Am 09.01.2009 um 16:53 schrieb A. Soare:
> 
> > (standard-display-ascii ?a  (vector (decode-char 'ucs #x1D400)))
> 
> The character at U+1D400 is MATHEMATICAL BOLD CAPITAL A. U+1D504 is  
> MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR CAPITAL A.
> 
> >
> > , however the unicode character is not present. I see a box instead  
> > of the german `A`; Is there a possibility to use Fraktur in emacs?
> 
> Why not? Once you use the proper fonts, Asana Math or Code2001 ...
> 
> 

I use terminus.

What is your settings in your .emacs for fraktur? 



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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-15 10:22 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-15 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]

I am interested about a Fraktur font which is good for editing C and Lisp code. All the Fraktur fonts that I have tried have some incovenient.

Do you know one for this purpose?







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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-12 21:21 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-12 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]

> > I Emacs I need it for C code. Is there a good Fraktur font for the  
> > C code? (and Lisp)
> > JSL Blackletter for example is not able to print the pointer  
> > characters "->".
> 
> 
> I don't know. Blackletter or Fraktur are not scripts I tend to use. I  
> am more like the guy King Crimson describe: 21st Century ... Man  
> (including Mirrors) ...

Here is a misunderstanding. Fraktur doesn't tire the eyes. It's true that it seems more obfuscated, but the eyes feel better comparing to the modern fonts. That is the point about that font apart from being more beautiful than 21st century's fonts. Yes, I like the medieval period. It's the period when the modern man born. In the medieval period the men cannot think abstractly. Something happenned at that time, and the abstract thinking born. Have you read Dante or Giordano Bruno?

> www.searchfreefonts.com/.

This seem a good site. Thanks.



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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-12 18:33 A. Soare
  2009-01-12 19:15 ` Fraktur Peter Dyballa
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-12 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


I Emacs I need it for C code. Is there a good Fraktur font for the C code? (and Lisp)
JSL Blackletter for example is not able to print the pointer characters "->".

Alin. 


> Am 12.01.2009 um 17:26 schrieb A. Soare:
> 
> > Capital U and capital V are completely identical in JSL Blackletter.
> 
> There are more Blackletter or Fraktur fonts: Schwabacher, Cloister  
> Black, English Towne, ...
> 
> The usual free fonts sites will have a few dozens of these non- 
> Unicode fonts.
> 
> --
> Greetings
> 
>    Pete
> 
> You can learn many things from children.  How much patience you have,  
> for instance.
> 				– Franklin P. Jones
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-12 16:26 A. Soare
  2009-01-12 17:48 ` Fraktur Peter Dyballa
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-12 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


Capital U and capital V are completely identical in JSL Blackletter.

Alin.



> Message du 11/01/09 à 10h59
> De : "Peter Dyballa" <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE>
> A : alinsoar@voila.fr
> Copie à : 
> Objet : Re: Fraktur
> 
> 
> 
> Am 10.01.2009 um 13:38 schrieb A. Soare:
> 
> > Oh! Sorry, I was tired. I wished say that there are examples of  
> > Unicode scripts, and there is a link for every script, but I don't  
> > see the interval for fraktur; 1D504–1D537 , 1D56C–1D59F; however,  
> > at the bottom there is the link 1D000-1DFFF, but at the page from  
> > that link I see just boxes that contain the hex humber of the  
> > character, not its representation, so I believe that the web  
> > browser does not recognize that font. Neither emacs, not mozilla  
> > recognize them.
> 
> 
> On Mac OS X Apple's Safari fails, but iCab or Camino work fine –  
> although the latter shows some whole, i.e., blank fields.
> 
> --
> Greetings
> 
>    Pete
> 
> Who the fsck is "General Failure," and why is he reading my disk?
> 
> 
> 
> 

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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-11 21:23 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-11 21:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]

> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur_(typeface)
> >>
> >> Nothing new or surprising. Since I am German I have to know Fraktur
> >> and Blackadder, äh: Blackletter.
> >
> > Ein Echter Deutscher ?
> 
> 
> Oui! Qui sont les faux allemands? Des nazis?
> 

J'ai entendu dire cette expression au prof "Ioan Petru Culianu", qui a ete fusille en 1991 dans le batiment de l'Universite de Chicago. Je ne connais rien sur la culture de l'Allemagne; je viens de commencer a etudier cette langue. Mais oui, cette expression en a traite.



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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-11  3:19 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-11  3:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Florian Beck; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]

> > I got it. I see Fraktur now, after having installed the good font. I
> > am very happy. Thanks.
> 
> Good.
> 
> So, how does it work out for you? Allegedly, blackletter aides word
> recognition (it doesn't for me). »JSL Blackletter« might not really be
> appropriate for on-screen display, though, it seems a bit washy.

I use JSL Blackletter. I have installed it as true type font. I used this file:

http://desktoppub.about.com/library/fonts/dd/jslblttf.zip

After having installed it , emacs and mozilla recognize it. In .emacs I call:

(set-default-font "-unknown-JSL Blackletter--normal-normal-*-*-*-*-*-*-0-iso10646-1")


> 
> By the way, this font is not a *fraktur*. It is textualis (which I find
> much more pleasing); its squiggled capitals might not really suit a
> capital-heavy language like German.

JSL Blackletter seems to me almost identical to Fraktur.

http://www.identifont.com/samples/bitstream/Fraktur.gif
http://www.searchfreefonts.com/assets/searchfreefonts/charsets/small/jblack.png

Compare `y` for exemple. Topologically they are very identical.

I like it.

Maybe the editors in Germany will use again and use Fraktur to print books ?


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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-10 14:49 A. Soare
  2009-01-11 10:00 ` Fraktur Peter Dyballa
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-10 14:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs], Emacs   Dev  [emacs-devel]


> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur_(typeface)
> 
> Nothing new or surprising. Since I am German I have to know Fraktur  
> and Blackadder, äh: Blackletter.

Ein Echter Deutscher ?



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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-10 13:07 A. Soare
  2009-01-10 23:23 ` Fraktur Florian Beck
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-10 13:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Florian Beck; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


I got it. I see Fraktur now, after having installed the good font. I am very happy. Thanks.

Alin


> Message du 10/01/09 à 10h15
> De : "Florian Beck" <abstraktion@t-online.de>
> A : alinsoar@voila.fr
> Copie à : "Emacs Help [help-gnu-emacs]" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Objet : Re: Fraktur
> 
> 
> "A. Soare" <alinsoar@voila.fr> writes:
> 
> >> 
> >> Am 09.01.2009 um 16:53 schrieb A. Soare:
> >> 
> >> > (standard-display-ascii ?a  (vector (decode-char 'ucs #x1D400)))
> >> 
> >> The character at U+1D400 is MATHEMATICAL BOLD CAPITAL A. U+1D504 is  
> >> MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR CAPITAL A.
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > , however the unicode character is not present. I see a box instead  
> >> > of the german `A`; Is there a possibility to use Fraktur in emacs?
> >> 
> >> Why not? Once you use the proper fonts, Asana Math or Code2001 ...
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> > I use terminus.
> >
> > What is your settings in your .emacs for fraktur?
> 
> Once you install a font like Code2001 or the free Unicode Symbols
> (http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/), emacs should automatically use it (it
> does for me).
> 
> If not,
> 
> (set-fontset-font "fontset-default" '(#x1D400 . #x1D5FF) (font-spec
> :family "Unicode Symbols") nil)
> 
> should do the trick.
> 
> This is for mathematical symbols; if you want to display latin text in
> blackletter, you need a font for that and simply use
> 
> (set-frame-font "JSL Blackletter")
> 
> -- 
> Florian Beck
> 
> 

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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-10 12:59 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-10 12:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Florian Beck; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]

Great!

I got it. I installed jsl blackletter, and emacs recognizes it.


Thanks.


> >> 
> >> > (standard-display-ascii ?a  (vector (decode-char 'ucs #x1D400)))
> >> 
> >> The character at U+1D400 is MATHEMATICAL BOLD CAPITAL A. U+1D504 is  
> >> MATHEMATICAL FRAKTUR CAPITAL A.
> >> 
> >> >
> >> > , however the unicode character is not present. I see a box instead  
> >> > of the german `A`; Is there a possibility to use Fraktur in emacs?
> >> 
> >> Why not? Once you use the proper fonts, Asana Math or Code2001 ...
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> > I use terminus.
> >
> > What is your settings in your .emacs for fraktur?
> 
> Once you install a font like Code2001 or the free Unicode Symbols
> (http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/), emacs should automatically use it (it
> does for me).
> 
> If not,
> 
> (set-fontset-font "fontset-default" '(#x1D400 . #x1D5FF) (font-spec
> :family "Unicode Symbols") nil)
> 
> should do the trick.
> 
> This is for mathematical symbols; if you want to display latin text in
> blackletter, you need a font for that and simply use
> 
> (set-frame-font "JSL Blackletter")
> 
> -- 
> Florian Beck
> 
> 

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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-10 12:38 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-10 12:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


> > Here is a list of fonts that support SMP. But I do not see any font  
> > that contains the characters from the interval of Fraktur:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplementary_Multilingual_Plane
> 
> 
> Me, I don't see any fonts mentioned. It's about "scripts" that are  
> included into Unicode 5.1. A "script" is a writing system, a set of  
> rules how to use characters and digits and punctuation to write texts  
> in a particular language. A font supplies the glyphs that can be used  
> for typesetting this text (notice that, for example, Times,  
> Helvetica, and Courier all have an "a" glyph, and every time this  
> character when typed looks different though still an "a"). A font can  
> support many scripts.
> 

Oh! Sorry, I was tired. I wished say that there are examples of Unicode scripts, and there is a link for every script, but I don't see the interval for fraktur; 1D504–1D537 , 1D56C–1D59F; however, at the bottom there is the link 1D000-1DFFF, but at the page from that link I see just boxes that contain the hex humber of the character, not its representation, so I believe that the web browser does not recognize that font. Neither emacs, not mozilla recognize them.




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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-10  2:05 A. Soare
  2009-01-10  3:08 ` Fraktur Jason Rumney
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-10  2:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Jason Rumney; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


Thanks. I am always use emacs CVS. However, the character corresponding to that code is an empty box for all the fonts.


Alin

> 
> A. Soare wrote:
> > I try to use the german Fraktur, and I tried
> >
> > (standard-display-ascii ?a  (vector (decode-char 'ucs #x1D400)))
> >
> > , however the unicode character is not present. I see a box instead of the german `A`; Is there a possibility to use Fraktur in emacs?
> >   
> 
> Only in Emacs-23 (from CVS), and then probably only if you've taught 
> Emacs which font contains that character (by default, Emacs does not 
> have very sophisticated rules for choosing fonts for Unicode Plane 1 
> characters):
> 
> (set-fontset-font "fontset-default" '(#x1D400 . #x1D7FF) (font-spec 
> :family "MathematicalAlphanumericSymbolFont"))
> 
> ... including whatever else is necessary to uniquely identify that font 
> in the font-spec (eg. you might need registry and/or foundry if there 
> are other fonts with the same family name installed).
> 
> 
> 
> 

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* Re: Fraktur
@ 2009-01-09 16:53 A. Soare
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From: A. Soare @ 2009-01-09 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: tomas; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


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> On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 04:53:10PM +0100, A. Soare wrote:
> > 
> > I try to use the german Fraktur, and I tried
> > 
> > (standard-display-ascii ?a  (vector (decode-char 'ucs #x1D400)))
> > 
> > , however the unicode character is not present. I see a box
> > instead of the german `A`; Is there a possibility to use Fraktur in emacs?
> 
> Must be your fontset -- works for me (for some weird value of "works": I
> get a strange bold-ish capital letter "A").

I use terminus and it does not work.



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* Fraktur
@ 2009-01-09 15:53 A. Soare
  2009-01-09 16:29 ` Fraktur Peter Dyballa
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  To: Emacs   Dev  [emacs-devel]; +Cc: Emacs   Help  [help-gnu-emacs]


I try to use the german Fraktur, and I tried

(standard-display-ascii ?a  (vector (decode-char 'ucs #x1D400)))

, however the unicode character is not present. I see a box instead of the german `A`; Is there a possibility to use Fraktur in emacs?


Thanks in advance,


Alin Soare.





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