EMACS, 1976

EMACS, 1976

[Mark Skilbeck]

Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).

I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like to
view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?

I wonder if there is a Code Museum, of sorts, where you can find those
historically significant "releases". The first EMACS, the first Linux
(which *can* be found rather easily), the first GCC, et al.

Ciao.

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Re: EMACS, 1976

[Peter Dyballa]

Am 25.07.2012 um 11:37 schrieb Mark Skilbeck:

> Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).

"Emacsen" describes a set of more than one programme Emacs.

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Re: EMACS, 1976

[Mark Skilbeck]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:37:55AM +0100, Mark Skilbeck wrote:
> Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
> 
> I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
> Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like to
> view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
> any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?
> 
> I wonder if there is a Code Museum, of sorts, where you can find those
> historically significant "releases". The first EMACS, the first Linux
> (which *can* be found rather easily), the first GCC, et al.
> 
> Ciao.
> 

[0] http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html

oopsiedaisy

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Re: EMACS, 1976

[Mark Skilbeck]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:43:30AM +0200, Peter Dyballa wrote:
> 
> Am 25.07.2012 um 11:37 schrieb Mark Skilbeck:
> 
> > Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
> 
> "Emacsen" describes a set of more than one programme Emacs.
> 

Indeed. I wasn't sure if the same applied to Emacs users. The Stallman
suggests "Emacsite"[0].

[0] http://www.stallman.org/extra/church.html

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Re: EMACS, 1976

[Barry Margolin]

In article <mailman.5547.1343209085.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
 Mark Skilbeck <m@iammark.us> wrote:

> Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
> 
> I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
> Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like to
> view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
> any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?

I googled for "teco emacs" and found this:

http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/mit_emacs_170_teco_1220/index.html

Good luck understanding TECO.

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Re: EMACS, 1976

[Mark Skilbeck]

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 06:36:58AM -0400, Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <mailman.5547.1343209085.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
>  Mark Skilbeck <m@iammark.us> wrote:
> 
> > Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
> > 
> > I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
> > Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like to
> > view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
> > any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?
> 
> I googled for "teco emacs" and found this:
> 
> http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/mit_emacs_170_teco_1220/index.html
> 
> Good luck understanding TECO.
> 

I can quite comfortably say I do *not* envy Stallman's having to write
that.

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RE: EMACS, 1976

[Doug Lewan]

Barry,

I agree entirely. I think I'd rather write assembler.

On the other hand, I'd bet that writing it once in a language such as TECO really helped Stalling consolidate his ideas.

,Doug

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> [mailto:help-gnu-emacs-bounces+dougl=shubertticketing.com@gnu.org] On
> Behalf Of Mark Skilbeck
> Sent: Wednesday, 2012 July 25 07:44
> To: Barry Margolin
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: EMACS, 1976
> 
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 06:36:58AM -0400, Barry Margolin wrote:
> > In article <mailman.5547.1343209085.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
> >  Mark Skilbeck <m@iammark.us> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
> > >
> > > I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
> > > Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like
> to
> > > view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
> > > any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?
> >
> > I googled for "teco emacs" and found this:
> >
> > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/mit_emacs_170_teco_1220/index.html
> >
> > Good luck understanding TECO.
> >
> 
> I can quite comfortably say I do *not* envy Stallman's having to write
> that.
> 
> --
> - mgs.
> 
> if all you young men / were fish in the water
> how many young girls / would undress and dive after

Re: EMACS, 1976

[Peter Davis]

On 7/25/2012 6:36 AM, Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <mailman.5547.1343209085.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
>   Mark Skilbeck <m@iammark.us> wrote:
>
>> Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
>>
>> I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
>> Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like to
>> view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
>> any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?
>
> I googled for "teco emacs" and found this:
>
> http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/mit_emacs_170_teco_1220/index.html
>
> Good luck understanding TECO.
>

I must still have some TECO reference cards around somewhere. I remember 
writing whole applications as TECO macros. Fun.

-pd


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RE: EMACS, 1976

[Ludwig, Mark]

> From: Peter Davis
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:28 AM
> To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: EMACS, 1976
> 
> On 7/25/2012 6:36 AM, Barry Margolin wrote:
> > In article <mailman.5547.1343209085.855.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>,
> >   Mark Skilbeck <m@iammark.us> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello, fellow Emacsen (Emacsians?).
> >>
> >> I've been reading RMS's essay, EMACS: The Extensible, Customizable
> >> Display Editor[0], and it's piqued an interest in me; I would like to
> >> view the code that made up the first EMACS release in 1976. Have it
> >> any of you lads and lasses, or know where it I may find?
> >
> > I googled for "teco emacs" and found this:
> >
> > http://pdp-10.trailing-edge.com/mit_emacs_170_teco_1220/index.html
> >
> > Good luck understanding TECO.
> >
> 
> I must still have some TECO reference cards around somewhere. I remember
> writing whole applications as TECO macros. Fun.

Yeah, I started hacking EMACS on a DECsystem-2060 (a.k.a. "Twenex") circa 1980.  I did all my EMACS customization work in Lisp, in the equivalent of would now be a .el file, and byte-compiled it to a library file that I subsequently loaded -- just like what we do today.

What I remember having to learn were the TECO display codes.  For example, if I recall correctly (ahem, yes, it really was >30 years ago!), Control-P was the character to "home up" in the minibuffer (which was three lines tall back then), meaning move the cursor to the upper-left-most character position.  Then there was another character to delete the remainder of the space which I don't remember; those two characters appeared frequently in the out-of-the-box EMACS code, because any prompting function had to do that in order for its prompt to appear cleanly and consistently.

Oh, and at the time, I liked to "sign" my e-mail messages with "$$" at the end.  What will not be clear by just looking at a printed representation of TECO is that the dollar sign ("$") is how an ESCape character appears; ESCape-ESCape was the statement terminator, and interactively meant "execute the preceding code."$$

Re: EMACS, 1976

[François Allisson]

> 
> I wonder if there is a Code Museum, of sorts, where you can find those
> historically significant "releases". The first EMACS, the first Linux
> (which *can* be found rather easily), the first GCC, et al.

Evsiz maintains a small uemacs museum [1]. See the README file for an
attempt at explaining its historical significance.

[1] http://rho.tuxfamily.org/museum/

Re: EMACS, 1976

[Mark Skilbeck]

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:57:31PM +0200, François Allisson wrote:
> > 
> > I wonder if there is a Code Museum, of sorts, where you can find those
> > historically significant "releases". The first EMACS, the first Linux
> > (which *can* be found rather easily), the first GCC, et al.
> 
> Evsiz maintains a small uemacs museum [1]. See the README file for an
> attempt at explaining its historical significance.
> 
> [1] http://rho.tuxfamily.org/museum/

Interesting. Thanks!

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- mgs.

if all you young men / were fish in the water 
how many young girls / would undress and dive after

Re: EMACS, 1976

[Christophe Poncy]

On 2012-07-26 17:13, Mark Skilbeck wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 04:57:31PM +0200, François Allisson wrote:
>> >
>> > I wonder if there is a Code Museum, of sorts, where you can find 
>> those
>> > historically significant "releases". The first EMACS, the first 
>> Linux
>> > (which *can* be found rather easily), the first GCC, et al.
>>
>> Evsiz maintains a small uemacs museum [1]. See the README file for 
>> an
>> attempt at explaining its historical significance.
>>
>> [1] http://rho.tuxfamily.org/museum/
>
> Interesting. Thanks!

Hi François,

There is an article on the French wikipedia that probably needs 
improvements ans corrections :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_des_impl%C3%A9mentations_d%27Emacs

See also the the template :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Palette_Emacs

regards,

Christophe.


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