From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why emacs have not native language menu Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:33 +0900 Message-ID: <149AB683-DDA0-4BF3-95C7-C7FA98832388@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> References: <46A49912.9030203@luxdo.jp> <7056BAE9-002B-46B7-A60A-9EDE375392EE@mx6.tiki.ne.jp> <86FA8DD5-B87E-4E64-90C8-04AA81B9469A@Web.DE> <873aze3qtf.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <87y7h53mjp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185289164 17920 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2007 14:59:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:59:24 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 24 16:59:23 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IDLr8-00060H-Iz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 16:59:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLr8-00031R-1E for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:59:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLpb-0002W1-2k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:47 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLpZ-0002V9-E6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IDLpZ-0002V4-6k for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:45 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp10.tiki.ne.jp ([218.40.30.107]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IDLpW-000114-RK for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 10:57:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.11.4] (pl497.nas934.takamatsu.nttpc.ne.jp [210.136.197.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp10.tiki.ne.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l6OEvbPg088113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:57:38 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from fusion@mx6.tiki.ne.jp) In-Reply-To: <87y7h53mjp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-detected-kernel: FreeBSD 5.3-5.4 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:45965 Archived-At: On 24 juil. 07, at 23:26, Thien-Thi Nguyen wrote: > () Jean-Christophe Helary > () Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:00:28 +0900 > > No because the people who pretend that there are technical > issues or that "it is impossible" do not make sense in the > first place. > > perhaps you misunderstand them (more than they misunderstand you). Pascal Bourguignon's replies are a good example of misunderstanding me: I am not talking about localizing the function names, which would definitely create a mess, but about localizing the interface, as Hadron very clearly put it. Or maybe Hadron is totally misunderstood too ? > you say, why not redesign to fit more the ideal? It is not the ideal, it is the practical. > i invite you to cross the schism between writer of text and writer > of programs. there is lots of fun on both sides. in this way, i > hope to "localize" you to reality. :-D My reality is already full of fun. I am trying to save time for the practical. Jean-Christophe Helary