From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alexandre Garreau Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs i18n Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:34:54 +0200 Message-ID: <14151570.3RPpvrhc5F@galex-713.eu> References: <87r1fscb0o.fsf@zoho.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25008"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 21 12:36:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m69af-0006GV-Km for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:36:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45196 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m69ae-0001Vj-KR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:36:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m69ZA-0007OZ-Cw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:35:05 -0400 Original-Received: from portable.galex-713.eu ([2a00:5884:8305::1]:40348 helo=galex-713.eu) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m69Z8-0003qI-Ku for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 06:35:03 -0400 Original-Received: from gal by galex-713.eu with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m69Z0-0002wg-UE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:34:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:5884:8305::1; envelope-from=galex-713@galex-713.eu; helo=galex-713.eu X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131939 Archived-At: Emanuel, you talk a lot about competition and restriction, I=E2=80=99m skim= ming=20 anything about nationalism (that=E2=80=99s getting wayyyy too irrelevant): you say =E2=80=9Cwhy would people put themselves at disadvantage=E2=80=9D w= hile not=20 everyone lives with unique main purpose to be =E2=80=9Cthe best=E2=80=9D, a= nd not doing an=20 effort to be above some level is not =E2=80=9Cpurposedly putting oneself at= =20 disadvantage=E2=80=9D. you say restricting oneself to a non-english language is stupid hence=20 translating from english is stupid, but as we already said, many people=20 *already speak english* and yet prefer to read in their native language,=20 and yet a book in english might be a barrieer. A ~1000 pages book might=20 be considered difficult to begin with, if it=E2=80=99s in the native langua= ge it=20 will be deemed a lot easier. Same for manuals, references, etc. On the other hand, speaking and reading are two very different activity,=20 with different phrasing, and different difficulty. You could easily speak= =20 english if that=E2=80=99s the only solution available, you could easily wri= te in=20 it, that=E2=80=99s still easy, since it comes from your brain=E2=80=A6 but = reading in it=20 is going to require more cognitive load than reading in one=E2=80=99s nativ= e=20 language.