* Re: Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)
2012-10-27 20:24 ` gnuist007
@ 2012-10-27 21:48 ` Cortez
2012-10-27 21:59 ` Cortez
2012-10-27 23:36 ` Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally gnuist007
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Cortez @ 2012-10-27 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Oct 27, 9:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 8, 3:25 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html
>
> > plain text version follows
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifes...
>
> > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became
> > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp
> > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp
> > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know
> > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness.
>
> > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder
> > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s.
>
> > He told me about how emacs keybinding started.
>
> > Source groups.google.com.
>
> > From:DanielWeinreb〔d...@alum.mit.edu〕
> > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp
> > Subject: Re: effective emacs
>
> > xah...@gmail.com wrote:
> > │ Effective Emacs
> > │
> > │ (Long term emacs productivity tips.)
> > │
> > │ Xah Lee, 2008-05-29
> > │
> > │ I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, i spent several
> > hours
> > │ inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years.
>
> > Same for me, except the year is 1977. Nobody has been using Emacs
> > longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-testers. I
> > refer
> > here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the DEC 10.)
>
> > │ Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are “Ctrl+f”, “Ctrl+b”,
> > “Ctrl
> > │ +n”, “Ctrl+p”. The keys f, b, n, p are scattered around the
> > keyboard
> > │ and are not under the home row.
>
> > That's true. At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs
> > default
> > key mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20
> > people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. It would
> > have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the
> > community if they differed for such basic commands. As you point
> > out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based on
> > their own ergonomic preferences.
>
> > │ GOOD
> > │ Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard
>
> > Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, which
> > I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer:
>
> > http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
>
> > I like the feel of the keys very much. I agree with you
> > that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone
> > to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with.
>
> > │ Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful.
>
> > I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, so
> > that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the
> > keyboard over to them and not cause confusion.
>
> > │ Steve advices users to “Lose the UI”.
>
> > I rarely use the menu bar. On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical. Using
> > the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though, and I
> > use that a lot.
>
> > Here's another piece of historical trivia. The Emacs keyboard
> > macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the Stanford
> > DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the AI lab
> > hardware hackers at the time. It was very powerful. But if you
> > made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and so it
> > was a good idea to save to disk before running it. We had a
> > saying
> > for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of convenience,
> > a lifetime of regret." This predates the widespread use of "Undo"
> > functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user interfaces
> > ever invented.
>
> > -- Dan
>
> > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you
> > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: 〔Rebuttal to
> > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11
> > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy
> > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)〕
>
> > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's
> > quote from Wikipedia:
>
> > EINE (a recursive acronym standing for “EINE Is Not Emacs”) was
> > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinreband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the
> > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It
> > would later be developed into ZWEI ( “ZWEI Was Eine Initially”), which
> > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into
> > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the
> > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp.
>
> > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben
> > Wing.)
>
> > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give
> > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp
> > Problems.
>
> > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp
> > Sucks.
>
> > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common
> > Lisp implementations. 〔Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey
> > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net〕
>
> > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be
> > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web
> > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the
> > criticism)
>
> > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The
> > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.)
>
> > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentry is just 2
> > days ago, where he talks about learning French.
>
> > I feel sad that Dan is gone.
>
> > Xah
>
> Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
>
> Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> available to the coming generations.
He wasn't just a student of Lisp, he helped create CL.
> Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> and found out about his passing before any of us.
I don't think Xah Lee knew him personally.
> What kind of cancer was he suffering from?
Leukaemia, I believe.
> Lisp Machine Zwei
> *Weinreb, Daniel L. & Moon, David (January 1979) The Lisp Machine
> Manual.
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/mit/cadr/chinual_3rdEd_Mar81.pdf
Also plenty more stuff under http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/mit/cadr
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread* Re: Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)
2012-10-27 21:48 ` Cortez
@ 2012-10-27 21:59 ` Cortez
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Cortez @ 2012-10-27 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Oct 27, 10:48 pm, Cortez <relativef...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> On Oct 27, 9:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 3:25 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html
>
> > > plain text version follows
>
> > > ------------------------------
>
> > > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> > > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifes...
>
> > > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became
> > > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp
> > > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp
> > > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know
> > > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness.
>
> > > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder
> > > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s.
>
> > > He told me about how emacs keybinding started.
>
> > > Source groups.google.com.
>
> > > From:DanielWeinreb〔d...@alum.mit.edu〕
> > > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > > Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp
> > > Subject: Re: effective emacs
>
> > > xah...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > │ Effective Emacs
> > > │
> > > │ (Long term emacs productivity tips.)
> > > │
> > > │ Xah Lee, 2008-05-29
> > > │
> > > │ I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, i spent several
> > > hours
> > > │ inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years.
>
> > > Same for me, except the year is 1977. Nobody has been using Emacs
> > > longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-testers. I
> > > refer
> > > here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the DEC 10.)
>
> > > │ Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are “Ctrl+f”, “Ctrl+b”,
> > > “Ctrl
> > > │ +n”, “Ctrl+p”. The keys f, b, n, p are scattered around the
> > > keyboard
> > > │ and are not under the home row.
>
> > > That's true. At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs
> > > default
> > > key mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20
> > > people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. It would
> > > have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the
> > > community if they differed for such basic commands. As you point
> > > out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based on
> > > their own ergonomic preferences.
>
> > > │ GOOD
> > > │ Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard
>
> > > Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, which
> > > I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer:
>
> > > http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
>
> > > I like the feel of the keys very much. I agree with you
> > > that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone
> > > to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with.
>
> > > │ Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful.
>
> > > I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, so
> > > that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the
> > > keyboard over to them and not cause confusion.
>
> > > │ Steve advices users to “Lose the UI”.
>
> > > I rarely use the menu bar. On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical. Using
> > > the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though, and I
> > > use that a lot.
>
> > > Here's another piece of historical trivia. The Emacs keyboard
> > > macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the Stanford
> > > DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the AI lab
> > > hardware hackers at the time. It was very powerful. But if you
> > > made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and so it
> > > was a good idea to save to disk before running it. We had a
> > > saying
> > > for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of convenience,
> > > a lifetime of regret." This predates the widespread use of "Undo"
> > > functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user interfaces
> > > ever invented.
>
> > > -- Dan
>
> > > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you
> > > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: 〔Rebuttal to
> > > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11
> > > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy
> > > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)〕
>
> > > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's
> > > quote from Wikipedia:
>
> > > EINE (a recursive acronym standing for “EINE Is Not Emacs”) was
> > > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinreband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the
> > > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It
> > > would later be developed into ZWEI ( “ZWEI Was Eine Initially”), which
> > > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into
> > > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the
> > > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp.
>
> > > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben
> > > Wing.)
>
> > > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give
> > > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp
> > > Problems.
>
> > > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp
> > > Sucks.
>
> > > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common
> > > Lisp implementations. 〔Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey
> > > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net〕
>
> > > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be
> > > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web
> > > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the
> > > criticism)
>
> > > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The
> > > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.)
>
> > > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentryis just 2
> > > days ago, where he talks about learning French.
>
> > > I feel sad that Dan is gone.
>
> > > Xah
>
> > Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
>
> > Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> > the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> > available to the coming generations.
>
> He wasn't just a student of Lisp, he helped create CL.
>
> > Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> > Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> > and found out about his passing before any of us.
>
> I don't think Xah Lee knew him personally.
>
> > What kind of cancer was he suffering from?
>
> Leukaemia, I believe.
Actually that might not be right. Sincere apologies.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally
2012-10-27 20:24 ` gnuist007
2012-10-27 21:48 ` Cortez
@ 2012-10-27 23:36 ` gnuist007
2012-10-27 23:41 ` gnuist007
2012-11-03 22:13 ` Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer) Rivka Miller
2012-11-06 23:55 ` Xah Lee
3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: gnuist007 @ 2012-10-27 23:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Oct 27, 1:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 8, 3:25 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html
>
> > plain text version follows
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifes...
>
> > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became
> > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp
> > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp
> > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know
> > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness.
>
> > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder
> > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s.
>
> > He told me about how emacs keybinding started.
>
> > Source groups.google.com.
>
> > From:DanielWeinreb〔d...@alum.mit.edu〕
> > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp
> > Subject: Re: effective emacs
>
> > xah...@gmail.com wrote:
> > │ Effective Emacs
> > │
> > │ (Long term emacs productivity tips.)
> > │
> > │ Xah Lee, 2008-05-29
> > │
> > │ I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, i spent several
> > hours
> > │ inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years.
>
> > Same for me, except the year is 1977. Nobody has been using Emacs
> > longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-testers. I
> > refer
> > here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the DEC 10.)
>
> > │ Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are “Ctrl+f”, “Ctrl+b”,
> > “Ctrl
> > │ +n”, “Ctrl+p”. The keys f, b, n, p are scattered around the
> > keyboard
> > │ and are not under the home row.
>
> > That's true. At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs
> > default
> > key mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20
> > people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. It would
> > have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the
> > community if they differed for such basic commands. As you point
> > out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based on
> > their own ergonomic preferences.
>
> > │ GOOD
> > │ Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard
>
> > Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, which
> > I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer:
>
> > http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
>
> > I like the feel of the keys very much. I agree with you
> > that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone
> > to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with.
>
> > │ Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful.
>
> > I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, so
> > that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the
> > keyboard over to them and not cause confusion.
>
> > │ Steve advices users to “Lose the UI”.
>
> > I rarely use the menu bar. On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical. Using
> > the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though, and I
> > use that a lot.
>
> > Here's another piece of historical trivia. The Emacs keyboard
> > macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the Stanford
> > DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the AI lab
> > hardware hackers at the time. It was very powerful. But if you
> > made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and so it
> > was a good idea to save to disk before running it. We had a
> > saying
> > for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of convenience,
> > a lifetime of regret." This predates the widespread use of "Undo"
> > functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user interfaces
> > ever invented.
>
> > -- Dan
>
> > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you
> > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: 〔Rebuttal to
> > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11
> > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy
> > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)〕
>
> > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's
> > quote from Wikipedia:
>
> > EINE (a recursive acronym standing for “EINE Is Not Emacs”) was
> > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinreband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the
> > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It
> > would later be developed into ZWEI ( “ZWEI Was Eine Initially”), which
> > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into
> > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the
> > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp.
>
> > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben
> > Wing.)
>
> > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give
> > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp
> > Problems.
>
> > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp
> > Sucks.
>
> > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common
> > Lisp implementations. 〔Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey
> > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net〕
>
> > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be
> > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web
> > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the
> > criticism)
>
> > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The
> > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.)
>
> > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentry is just 2
> > days ago, where he talks about learning French.
>
> > I feel sad that Dan is gone.
>
> > Xah
>
> Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
>
> Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> available to the coming generations.
>
> Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> and found out about his passing before any of us. What kind of cancer
> was he suffering from?
>
> Lisp Machine Zwei
> *Weinreb, Daniel L. & Moon, David (January 1979) The Lisp Machine
> Manual.
>
> Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. --
> The user interface for Zwei.
>
> ibid. (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp
> Machine. Cambridge, Massachusetts: S.B. Thesis, MIT Electrical
> Engineering and Computer Science Department. -- How Zwei works
> internally.
>
> I would be very much interested in his BS thesis. Who has a copy of
> it? You? Stallman? MIT CS department? MIT depository?
>
> Maybe someone can pass this on to the Computer museum in Northern
> California or Herbert Stoyan who did extensive work on the Lisp or the
> Lucid people.
>
> Regards,
> Gnuist
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally
2012-10-27 23:36 ` Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally gnuist007
@ 2012-10-27 23:41 ` gnuist007
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: gnuist007 @ 2012-10-27 23:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
It is strange that when MIT catalog is searched for Weinreb, only ONE
result appears, not even his B.S. Thesis title.
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Author LinkWeinreb, Daniel.
Title Flavors, message passing in the Lisp Machine / Daniel
Weinreb, David Moon.
Shelf Access Find it in the library/Request item
Shelf Location Institute Archives - Noncirculating Collection 3 |
Q335.M41.A794 no.602
Published Cambridge, Mass. : Massachusetts Institute of Technology,
Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, 1980.
Description 32 p. ; 28 cm.
Series LinkAI memo ; 602.
Format Book
Note Includes index.
Funding Information Advanced Research Projects Agency, Dept. of
Defense, ONR.: N00014-80-C-0505
Other Author LinkMoon, David.
Additional Title LinkThe Lisp Machine, Message passing in.
Local System Number 000168706
On Oct 27, 4:36 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Oct 27, 1:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 3:25 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html
>
> > > plain text version follows
>
> > > ------------------------------
>
> > > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> > > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifes...
>
> > > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became
> > > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp
> > > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp
> > > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know
> > > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness.
>
> > > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder
> > > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s.
>
> > > He told me about how emacs keybinding started.
>
> > > Source groups.google.com.
>
> > > From:DanielWeinreb〔d...@alum.mit.edu〕
> > > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > > Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp
> > > Subject: Re: effective emacs
>
> > > xah...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > │ Effective Emacs
> > > │
> > > │ (Long term emacs productivity tips.)
> > > │
> > > │ Xah Lee, 2008-05-29
> > > │
> > > │ I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, i spent several
> > > hours
> > > │ inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years.
>
> > > Same for me, except the year is 1977. Nobody has been using Emacs
> > > longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-testers. I
> > > refer
> > > here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the DEC 10.)
>
> > > │ Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are “Ctrl+f”, “Ctrl+b”,
> > > “Ctrl
> > > │ +n”, “Ctrl+p”. The keys f, b, n, p are scattered around the
> > > keyboard
> > > │ and are not under the home row.
>
> > > That's true. At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs
> > > default
> > > key mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20
> > > people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. It would
> > > have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the
> > > community if they differed for such basic commands. As you point
> > > out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based on
> > > their own ergonomic preferences.
>
> > > │ GOOD
> > > │ Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard
>
> > > Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, which
> > > I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer:
>
> > > http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
>
> > > I like the feel of the keys very much. I agree with you
> > > that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone
> > > to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with.
>
> > > │ Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful.
>
> > > I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, so
> > > that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the
> > > keyboard over to them and not cause confusion.
>
> > > │ Steve advices users to “Lose the UI”.
>
> > > I rarely use the menu bar. On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical. Using
> > > the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though, and I
> > > use that a lot.
>
> > > Here's another piece of historical trivia. The Emacs keyboard
> > > macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the Stanford
> > > DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the AI lab
> > > hardware hackers at the time. It was very powerful. But if you
> > > made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and so it
> > > was a good idea to save to disk before running it. We had a
> > > saying
> > > for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of convenience,
> > > a lifetime of regret." This predates the widespread use of "Undo"
> > > functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user interfaces
> > > ever invented.
>
> > > -- Dan
>
> > > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you
> > > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: 〔Rebuttal to
> > > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11
> > > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy
> > > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)〕
>
> > > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's
> > > quote from Wikipedia:
>
> > > EINE (a recursive acronym standing for “EINE Is Not Emacs”) was
> > > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinreband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the
> > > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It
> > > would later be developed into ZWEI ( “ZWEI Was Eine Initially”), which
> > > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into
> > > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the
> > > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp.
>
> > > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben
> > > Wing.)
>
> > > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give
> > > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp
> > > Problems.
>
> > > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp
> > > Sucks.
>
> > > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common
> > > Lisp implementations. 〔Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey
> > > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net〕
>
> > > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be
> > > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web
> > > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the
> > > criticism)
>
> > > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The
> > > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.)
>
> > > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentryis just 2
> > > days ago, where he talks about learning French.
>
> > > I feel sad that Dan is gone.
>
> > > Xah
>
> > Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
>
> > Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> > the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> > available to the coming generations.
>
> > Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> > Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> > and found out about his passing before any of us. What kind of cancer
> > was he suffering from?
>
> > Lisp Machine Zwei
> > *Weinreb, Daniel L. & Moon, David (January 1979) The Lisp Machine
> > Manual.
>
> > Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. --
> > The user interface for Zwei.
>
> > ibid. (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp
> > Machine. Cambridge, Massachusetts: S.B. Thesis, MIT Electrical
> > Engineering and Computer Science Department. -- How Zwei works
> > internally.
>
> > I would be very much interested in his BS thesis. Who has a copy of
> > it? You? Stallman? MIT CS department? MIT depository?
>
> > Maybe someone can pass this on to the Computer museum in Northern
> > California or Herbert Stoyan who did extensive work on the Lisp or the
> > Lucid people.
>
> > Regards,
> > Gnuist
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* Re: Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)
2012-10-27 20:24 ` gnuist007
2012-10-27 21:48 ` Cortez
2012-10-27 23:36 ` Anyone know where to find Weinreb's thesis? - Not in MIT catalog - (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp Machine. -- How Zwei works Internally gnuist007
@ 2012-11-03 22:13 ` Rivka Miller
2012-11-06 23:55 ` Xah Lee
3 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Rivka Miller @ 2012-11-03 22:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On Oct 27, 1:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 8, 3:25 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > DanielWeinrebDied ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_died.html
>
> > plain text version follows
>
> > ------------------------------
>
> > DanielWeinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> > Obituary athttp://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifes...
>
> > Danielfrequently use comp.lang.lisp. Since about 2007, i became
> > acquainted with him, because he responded to some of my lisp
> > criticisms. Subsequently i learned of his status in the lisp
> > community. Later have exchanged a couple email with him. I didn't know
> > he had cancer. Don't think he ever blogged about his illness.
>
> > DanielWeinrebused Emacs before Richard Stallman, and is a co-founder
> > of Symbolics, a lisp company during 1980s.
>
> > He told me about how emacs keybinding started.
>
> > Source groups.google.com.
>
> > From:DanielWeinreb〔d...@alum.mit.edu〕
> > User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)
> > Newsgroups: comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp
> > Subject: Re: effective emacs
>
> > xah...@gmail.com wrote:
> > │ Effective Emacs
> > │
> > │ (Long term emacs productivity tips.)
> > │
> > │ Xah Lee, 2008-05-29
> > │
> > │ I have used emacs daily since 1998. Typically, i spent several
> > hours
> > │ inside emacs, everyday, for the past 10 years.
>
> > Same for me, except the year is 1977. Nobody has been using Emacs
> > longer than I have (I was one of the original beta-testers. I
> > refer
> > here to the original Emacs, written in ITS TECO for the DEC 10.)
>
> > │ Emacs's default cursor moving shortcuts are “Ctrl+f”, “Ctrl+b”,
> > “Ctrl
> > │ +n”, “Ctrl+p”. The keys f, b, n, p are scattered around the
> > keyboard
> > │ and are not under the home row.
>
> > That's true. At the time Guy Steele put together the Emacs
> > default
> > key mappings, many people in the target user community (about 20
> > people at MIT!) were already using these key bindings. It would
> > have been hard to get the new Emacs bindings accepted by the
> > community if they differed for such basic commands. As you point
> > out, anyone using Emacs can very easily change this based on
> > their own ergonomic preferences.
>
> > │ GOOD
> > │ Microsoft Natural Multimedia keyboard
>
> > Let me put in a quick plug for my own favorite keyboard, which
> > I am using right now: the Unicomp Customizer:
>
> > http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html
>
> > I like the feel of the keys very much. I agree with you
> > that it's important, and worth some effort, for everyone
> > to find a keyboard that they feel most comfortable with.
>
> > │ Problem and Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are Painful.
>
> > I generally make few customizations to the key bindings, so
> > that when I work with another programmer, I can turn the
> > keyboard over to them and not cause confusion.
>
> > │ Steve advices users to “Lose the UI”.
>
> > I rarely use the menu bar. On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical. Using
> > the mouse to set point or set the region is great, though, and I
> > use that a lot.
>
> > Here's another piece of historical trivia. The Emacs keyboard
> > macro feature was inspired by a similar feature in the Stanford
> > DRAW system, an electrical CAD system widely-used by the AI lab
> > hardware hackers at the time. It was very powerful. But if you
> > made a mistake, it could really destroy your design, and so it
> > was a good idea to save to disk before running it. We had a
> > saying
> > for what happened if you forgot to save: "A moment of convenience,
> > a lifetime of regret." This predates the widespread use of "Undo"
> > functionality, surely one of the best ideas for user interfaces
> > ever invented.
>
> > -- Dan
>
> > Danielis a co-founder of the lisp company Symbolics. Sometimes, you
> > can see he speaks out on lisp history. Here's one: 〔Rebuttal to
> > Stallman's Story About The Formation of Symbolics and LMI 2007-11-11
> > ByDanielWeinreb. @ danweinreb.org (local copy
> > Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_stallmans_story.txt)〕
>
> > Danielalso wrote a version of emacs. EINE (EINE Is Not Emacs). Here's
> > quote from Wikipedia:
>
> > EINE (a recursive acronym standing for “EINE Is Not Emacs”) was
> > the Emacs text editor for Lisp machines. It was developed byDanielWeinreband Mike McMahon in the late 1970s, with a command set the
> > same as the original Emacs written in TECO by Richard Stallman. It
> > would later be developed into ZWEI ( “ZWEI Was Eine Initially”), which
> > itself would eventually become Symbolics' Zmacs (integrated into
> > Symbolics' development for their Lisp machines, Genera). It was the
> > second Emacs written, and the first to be written in Lisp.
>
> > (for some emacs history, see: GNU Emacs and XEmacs Schism, by Ben
> > Wing.)
>
> > On occasion i criticized lisp's cons,Danielgently nudged me to give
> > detail. See: Programing Language: A Ruby Illustration of Lisp
> > Problems.
>
> > DanielWeinrebhimself have criticized Common Lisp. See: Common Lisp
> > Sucks.
>
> > One of the popular article Dan has written is a comparison of Common
> > Lisp implementations. 〔Common Lisp Implementations: A Survey
> > 2007-12-20 ByDanielWeinreb. @ Source common-lisp.net〕
>
> > When he announced that on comp.lang.lisp, i recommended the page be
> > broken to sub-pages, and other formatting issues. See: Monolithic Web
> > Pages. He didn't take it to heart. (and i regret my tone in the
> > criticism)
>
> > DanielWeinrebis also mentioned in the acknowledgement section in The
> > UNIX-HATERS Handbook. (see the PDF file at The Unix Pestilence.)
>
> > Dan's blog is at.http://danweinreb.org/blog/Lastentry is just 2
> > days ago, where he talks about learning French.
>
> > I feel sad that Dan is gone.
>
> > Xah
>
> Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
>
> Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> available to the coming generations.
>
> Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> and found out about his passing before any of us. What kind of cancer
> was he suffering from?
>
> Lisp Machine Zwei
> *Weinreb, Daniel L. & Moon, David (January 1979) The Lisp Machine
> Manual.
>
> Cambridge, Massachusetts: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. --
> The user interface for Zwei.
>
> ibid. (January 1979) A Real-Time Display-Oriented Editor for the Lisp
> Machine. Cambridge, Massachusetts: S.B. Thesis, MIT Electrical
> Engineering and Computer Science Department. -- How Zwei works
> internally.
>
> I would be very much interested in his BS thesis. Who has a copy of
> it? You? Stallman? MIT CS department? MIT depository?
The following results of google search suggest a Ph.D. dissertation.
[TeX]
LaTeX Original - lists.gnu....
lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2004-05/textRBw9z4nJ0.tex
File Format: TeX/LaTeX - View as HTML
Dr. Daniel Weinreb at Symbolics answered most of our questions about
the language specification. He also sent us the definition of
rationalize written by Dr.
Kyoto Common Lisp Report Taiichi Yuasa and Masami Hagiya ...
lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gcl-devel/2004-05/txt5jNdjAdqnL.txt
Dr. Daniel Weinreb at Symbolics answered most of our questions about
the language specification. He also sent us the definition of r a t i
o n a l i z e written by ...
Report
www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/cientificos/OBJ/Tape-obj3/kcl/doc/report
... are indebted to Dr. Richard Gabriel at Stanford University. Dr.
Daniel Weinreb at Symbolics solved most of our questions about the
language specification.
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* Re: Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer)
2012-10-27 20:24 ` gnuist007
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2012-11-03 22:13 ` Daniel Weinreb Died ((1959 ~ 2012) Lisp Programer) Rivka Miller
@ 2012-11-06 23:55 ` Xah Lee
2012-11-07 16:43 ` Barry Margolin
3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Xah Lee @ 2012-11-06 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
locating Daniel Weinrebdied's published works.
On Oct 27, 12:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Daniel Weinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
> Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
>
> Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> available to the coming generations.
>
> Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> and found out about his passing before any of us. What kind of cancer
> was he suffering from?
I don't know Daniel Weinrebdied well. We exchanged a couple private
email, that's all.
If you are interested in contacting people who knew him, you can
follow these links:
http://lispm.dyndns.org/dlw
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4490892
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=159710898#fbLoggedOut
http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2012/09/07/dan-weinreb-boston-computer-geek-community-figure-dies-of-cancer/
and check the comments for leads. Oh, the best is probably Daniel's
blog http://danweinreb.org/blog/ . There you'll find many comments
from people who knew him, or his co-workers thru the years. They might
point you to where to find Daniel's publications.
Xah
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2012-11-06 23:55 ` Xah Lee
@ 2012-11-07 16:43 ` Barry Margolin
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Barry Margolin @ 2012-11-07 16:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
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In article
<41fea870-0e9f-4812-b67e-5cb293da6a98@b4g2000pby.googlegroups.com>,
Xah Lee <xahlee@gmail.com> wrote:
> locating Daniel Weinrebdied's published works.
>
> On Oct 27, 12:24 pm, gnuist...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Daniel Weinrebdied today. Cancer. Aged 53. (≈1959 ~ 2012-09-07).
>
> > Its very sad to hear that he has passed away.
> >
> > Perhaps, the best we can do to keep his legacy is to make sure all of
> > the surviving works of this student of lisp are put online and made
> > available to the coming generations.
> >
> > Here are his publications that I cant find anywhere on the internet.
> > Xah, it seems that you might have a copy as you were a close friend
> > and found out about his passing before any of us. What kind of cancer
> > was he suffering from?
>
> I don't know Daniel Weinrebdied well. We exchanged a couple private
> email, that's all.
You apparently don't even know his name well. It doesn't end with
"died", that was just a typo in the earlier message.
--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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