From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: S Boucher Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs users a dying breed? 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X-Received-From: 72.30.239.140 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85393 Archived-At: =0A=0A>On my 64bit linux system the emacs executable weights in at 13M, fee= l=0A>free to comparing that to any other interpreter.=0A=0A=0AFor emacs 23.= 3, STRIPPED, it weighs in at 10M.=A0 If you look at temacs STRIPPED, then i= t weighs in at 5M.=0A=0ASo, it all depends what you measure.=0A=0ABut I've = always wondered what was so dramatic about that.=A0 What would I gain if Em= acs is shrunk to 1M?=0A=0A=0AI kind of like Emacs helping me with vc (svn, = git, p4, rcs, cvs).=A0 I kind of like being able to diff revision without h= aving to use another tool.=A0 Emacs seems the right place to do this.=0A=0A= I wish emacs' gdb ui was better (I haven't checked emacs 24 yet).=0A=0AIt's= nice to be able to write some lisp to massage/reformat some log output.=A0= I've done this with a log file that had some unformated xml.=A0 Search for= the xml, create an indirect buffer, switch to xml mode, and reindent the (= indirect) buffer, and get rid of the indirect buffer, and voila! a readable= log file :-) (well, relatively speaking, since xml is not exactly human re= adable :-))=0A=0AI've stopped using Emacs for mail and news a long time ago= . mail and news have become too multimedia oriented for emacs to do things = well.=0A