From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Anil Trivedi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:02:54 GMT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <121220021605305116%anil@null.invalid> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com> <061220020416350201%ajanta@no.spam> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <091220021652087216%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021253524057%ajanta@no.spam> <5l65u0i8zj.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <111220022053507599%ajanta@no.spam> <5l1y4niayi.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <121220021352537730%ajanta@no.spam> <5lwumfgfb4.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1039731131 17026 80.91.224.249 (12 Dec 2002 22:12:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 22:12:11 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18MbYv-0004QT-00 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:12:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18MbXS-0000ga-02 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:10:38 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssrv26.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: Thoth/1.5.10 (Carbon/OS X) Original-Lines: 48 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.190.240 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net Original-X-Trace: newssrv26.news.prodigy.com 1039734174 ST000 67.37.190.240 (Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:02:54 CST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:02:54 CST X-UserInfo1: TSU[@SBE[JTKB\@[GRNNOTPAUSXB@DTMNHWB_EYLJZ]BGIELLNTC@AWZWDXZXQ[K\FFSKCVM@F_N_DOBWVWG__LG@VVOIPLIGX\\BU_B@\P\PFX\B[APHTWAHDCKJF^NHD[YJAZMCY_CWG[SX\Y]^KC\HSZRWSWKGAY_PC[BQ[BXAS\F\\@DMTLFZFUE@\VL Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:348749 gnu.emacs.help:108063 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4593 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4593 Stefan Monnier wrote: > I fail like I can't have a rational argument because you keep shifting > the focus from one issue to another. But several issues *have* been raised here: (1) Don't waste disk space, (2) Enable users to safely delete either the functionality or files they know they don't need, (3) And include a complete uninstall script. Clutter is less of a problem if a complete uninstall option is there, but it is a major problem if users have to rely on their own wits to locate and delete the files. > >> All under the single `Emacs.app' directory. Seems clean enough to me. Stefan, looks like we have both been working all night and need a very, very strong cup of coffee. :-) Rubbing my eyes, this is what I see on my system: anil% find /usr -name emacs -print /usr/bin/emacs /usr/info/emacs /usr/libexec/emacs /usr/local/bin/emacs /usr/share/emacs /usr/share/info/emacs I only searched for the *name* emacs, there may or may not be other emacs-ralated files and directories with different names. I love emacs but if someone didn't want to keep it, should they just delete /usr?! > Why does this support for other languages bother you, whereas > support for TPU-emulation, RMail, Simula, etc... doesn't? Do you intend > to learn Simula? When you don't need such things and they are taking more than minimal disk space, you should be abe to delete them too. However, human languages are fundamentally different. There is zero chance that every major program will include a newsreader or TPU or Simula. It is a near 100% certainty that every major program will increasingly come with support for a large number of human languages. If I accumulate 100 programs and there are 100 supported langaues I don't understand, that would be 10,000 instances of language support I don't need and can't use. I don't expect to have that kind of problem with Gnus, Rmail, or Simula. Anil Trivedi