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From: Anil Trivedi <anil@null.invalid>
Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:39:51 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <121220021442266101%anil@null.invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: vf8yyv8f6c.fsf@rpc71.cs.man.ac.uk

Phillip Lord <p.lord@russet.org.uk> wrote:


>   Anil> 2. Once the program compiles, and works fine, the user should
>   Anil> be able to delete all files that were needed in compiling but will not
>   Anil> be needed in running it, or in uninstalling it.
>   
> I think Kai's example showed the problem with this...
> Personally I find an emacs without the .el files half baked...
> The core problem is that the Emacs is a lisp interpreter...

There is no problem here. If it is desirable to keep .el files in
Emacs, let us by all means keep them. Make them unremovable and have
the program issue a stern lecture and warning to anyone who tries to
override the protection!

That is however no reason to no provide tools to delete unneeded files,
in emacs or in hundreds of other programs. 

Let me add the following philosophical plug that I have been pushing
today: Unix was conceptualized for small systems and programs, where a
user needed and knew every file, where it came from, what it does.
Either he wrote it himself or copied it from a friend. Those times are
gone. We have hundreds of thousands of files, know nothing about them,
and routinely install packages that bring thousands of files. The
culture and the tools have not evolved to deal with this reality and
perhaps need to. 

Anil Trivedi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-12 21:39 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found] ` <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com>
     [not found]   ` <x5k7ipl35x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
2002-12-06 11:14     ` Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not? Ajanta
2002-12-06 10:27       ` Raffael Herzog
2002-12-06 14:28         ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-06 14:49       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-06 14:52       ` Schone Mullerin
2002-12-06 17:35         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-06 21:30           ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 Ajanta
2002-12-06 23:07             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-07  7:53               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 14:18                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-07 18:53                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 21:53                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-09 19:29                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-09 23:49                       ` For Andrew Choi/Enrico Franconi: Bug in Emacs 21.3.50 Ajanta
2002-12-09 23:21                         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-10 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-10 18:23                           ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Ajanta
2002-12-10 17:31                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 17:48                               ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 17:59                                 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 18:01                                   ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 21:14                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 12:56                                   ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                             ` <101220021416559254\x04%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found]                               ` <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-11 18:29                                 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-11 19:51                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 19:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology Henrik Enberg
2002-12-11 20:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12  3:51                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 11:49                                         ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 16:30                                           ` Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-12 19:43                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:03                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  9:03                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-16 16:09                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 20:13                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 16:02                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13 16:36                                                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 18:59                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:41                                                     ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 19:42                                                   ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12 23:09                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:05                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:49                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:21                                             ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 21:16                                               ` Anil
2002-12-13  8:56                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 11:24                                                 ` Francis Burton
2002-12-16 16:04                                                 ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 21:52                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-16 21:02                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  5:55                                                       ` Anil
2002-12-20 15:51                                                         ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17  9:41                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 17:34                                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 17:55                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 22:14                                                           ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-18  6:22                                                           ` Jonathon Isaac Swiderski
2002-12-18  8:51                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:54                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:19                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 19:31                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-16 21:59                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-17  9:54                                                   ` jdf23
2002-12-20 16:01                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13  8:54                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:53                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-16 15:59                                               ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17 18:29                                                 ` Ajanta
     [not found]                                                   ` <ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-17 18:29                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-24  0:05                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-17 22:24                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:32                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:22                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 14:16                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 14:44                                                           ` Fredrik Staxeng
     [not found]                                                             ` <fstx+u@update.uu.se>
2002-12-19 15:36                                                               ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 22:19                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 12:31                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-21 23:15                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-22  2:54                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 10:46                                                                   ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-23 19:42                                                                     ` David Masterson
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.420.1040313026.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-19 16:47                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-19 21:13                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-21  0:17                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 21:14                                                           ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 23:38                                                             ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 19:06                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:51                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 20:44                                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:14                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:55                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.464.1040400348.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 19:09                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:27                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:24                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21  2:32                                                               ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-21 12:50                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-20 15:41                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:44                                                         ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:38                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.343.1040149880.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-17 22:33                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-17 23:17                                                       ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:34                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:20                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-19  7:47                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:36                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:01                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:34                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:58                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-24  6:24                                                           ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-26 18:20                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-27  3:14                                                               ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27  4:35                                                                 ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                 ` <mailman.637.1040963855.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-27 12:48                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27 15:39                                                                     ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-28  2:49                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-28 13:54                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 14:11                                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-31 20:08                                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-27 17:36                                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-28  1:02                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 11:07                                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-28 13:44                                                                       ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-28 13:49                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-31 20:05                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:32                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 16:00                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                       ` <ams@kemisten.nu>
2002-12-20 20:00                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 20:25                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-20 20:34                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 21:01                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.482.1040418304.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 21:40                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-20 21:59                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:25                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-21 15:55                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.498.1040486166.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-21 16:22                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-12 23:14                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 23:44                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:11                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 14:11                                         ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 20:50                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 20:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 23:02                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:29                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-13 10:12                                                 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.179.1039743000.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-13 19:11                                                   ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  0:33                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:27                                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-12 21:28                                             ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:30                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-11 20:49                                     ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12  4:44                                       ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12  4:58                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12  6:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-12 14:50                                         ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-12 19:40                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:39                                           ` Anil Trivedi [this message]
2002-12-13  1:35                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 23:23                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-11 21:34                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-10  5:23             ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 David Combs
2002-12-10  8:29               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07  8:19 ` Thanks to all (Re: Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not?) new2osx
2002-12-07  9:35   ` David Kastrup

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