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From: Anil Trivedi <anil@null.invalid>
Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50)
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:28:48 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <121220021431246381%anil@null.invalid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 121220021352537730%ajanta@no.spam

> At present the languages number in 10's but soon it may be 100's. I am
> glad they are included. It is not clutter in the *distribution*, but it
> becomes clutter in my *system* if I am stuck with it all with no tools
> to safely select *my* language(s). 
> 
> An analogy might be to ship a fat distribution with binaries for every
> cpu architecture and OS, and expect a user to keep everything because
> it is a lot of work to separate them. That would be stupid. IMHO it
> would be equally stupid to force people to keep 100's of languages they
> have no prayer of learning/understanding/needing in one lifetime.

I just wrote this elsewhere in another context (file attributes) but
once more will do no harm: 

Unix was conceptualized for small systems and programs, where a user
might know every file, and actually need it. Indeed, he either wrote it
himself or copied from a friend he knew, and it was all in one
language, whatever it happened to be. 

Now we have hundreds of thousands of files, know nothing about them,
and routinely install packages that bring thousands of files and
support more languages than the United Nations! All well and good, but
as the system grows, the culture and the tools need to keep up too.

Anil Trivedi

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-12-12 21:28 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found] ` <56cfb0e3.0212041458.5eab182a@posting.google.com>
     [not found]   ` <x5k7ipl35x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz>
2002-12-06 11:14     ` Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not? Ajanta
2002-12-06 10:27       ` Raffael Herzog
2002-12-06 14:28         ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-06 14:49       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-06 14:52       ` Schone Mullerin
2002-12-06 17:35         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-06 21:30           ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 Ajanta
2002-12-06 23:07             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-07  7:53               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 14:18                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-07 18:53                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-07 21:53                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-09 19:29                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-09 23:49                       ` For Andrew Choi/Enrico Franconi: Bug in Emacs 21.3.50 Ajanta
2002-12-09 23:21                         ` Andrew Choi
2002-12-10 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-10 18:23                           ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Ajanta
2002-12-10 17:31                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 17:48                               ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 17:59                                 ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-10 18:01                                   ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-10 21:14                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 12:56                                   ` Phillip Lord
     [not found]                             ` <101220021416559254\x04%ajanta@no.spam>
     [not found]                               ` <111220021101520860%ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-11 18:29                                 ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-11 19:51                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-11 19:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology Henrik Enberg
2002-12-11 20:41                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12  3:51                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 11:49                                         ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 16:30                                           ` Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-12 19:43                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:03                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  9:03                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-16 16:09                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 20:13                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 16:02                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13 16:36                                                 ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 18:59                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:41                                                     ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 19:42                                                   ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12 23:09                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:05                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:49                                                   ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:21                                             ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 21:16                                               ` Anil
2002-12-13  8:56                                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 11:24                                                 ` Francis Burton
2002-12-16 16:04                                                 ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-16 21:52                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-16 21:02                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  5:55                                                       ` Anil
2002-12-20 15:51                                                         ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17  9:41                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 17:34                                                       ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 17:55                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-17 22:14                                                           ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-18  6:22                                                           ` Jonathon Isaac Swiderski
2002-12-18  8:51                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:54                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:19                                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 19:31                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-16 21:59                                                   ` Ajanta
2002-12-17  9:54                                                   ` jdf23
2002-12-20 16:01                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-13  8:54                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-13 18:53                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-16 15:59                                               ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-17 18:29                                                 ` Ajanta
2002-12-17 22:24                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:32                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:22                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 14:16                                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-19 14:44                                                           ` Fredrik Staxeng
     [not found]                                                             ` <fstx+u@update.uu.se>
2002-12-19 15:36                                                               ` Peter S Galbraith
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.420.1040313026.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-19 16:47                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-19 21:13                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-21  0:17                                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-20 22:19                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:13                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21 12:31                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-21 23:15                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-22  2:54                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-22 10:46                                                                   ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-23 19:42                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 21:14                                                           ` David Masterson
2002-12-19 23:38                                                             ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 19:06                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:51                                                                 ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 20:44                                                                   ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:14                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:55                                                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                             ` <mailman.464.1040400348.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 19:09                                                               ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 19:27                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:24                                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-21  2:32                                                               ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-21 12:50                                                               ` Fredrik Staxeng
2002-12-20 15:41                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:44                                                         ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-20 15:38                                                     ` Lee Sau Dan
     [not found]                                                   ` <mailman.343.1040149880.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-17 22:33                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-17 23:17                                                       ` Tribhuvan
2002-12-18  8:34                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-19  0:20                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-19  7:47                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-20 15:36                                                           ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 19:01                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:34                                                       ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 18:58                                                         ` David Masterson
2002-12-24  6:24                                                           ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-26 18:20                                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-27  3:14                                                               ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27  4:35                                                                 ` Miles Bader
     [not found]                                                                 ` <mailman.637.1040963855.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-27 12:48                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-27 15:39                                                                     ` Rodney Sparapani
2002-12-28  2:49                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2002-12-28 13:54                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 14:11                                                                         ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-31 20:08                                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-27 17:36                                                                 ` David Masterson
2002-12-28  1:02                                                                   ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-28 11:07                                                                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-28 13:44                                                                       ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-28 13:49                                                                       ` Luis Fernandes
2002-12-31 20:05                                                                     ` David Masterson
2002-12-20 15:32                                                   ` Lee Sau Dan
2002-12-20 16:00                                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                       ` <ams@kemisten.nu>
2002-12-20 20:00                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 20:25                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-20 20:34                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-20 21:01                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.482.1040418304.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-20 21:40                                                             ` David Kastrup
2002-12-20 21:59                                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2002-12-21  0:25                                                         ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-21 15:55                                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                                                           ` <mailman.498.1040486166.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-21 16:22                                                             ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                                                   ` <ajanta@no.spam>
2002-12-17 18:29                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-24  0:05                                                     ` Peter S Galbraith
2002-12-12 23:14                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 23:44                                             ` David Masterson
2002-12-13  9:11                                             ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 14:11                                         ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 20:50                                           ` Ajanta
2002-12-12 20:20                                             ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-12 23:02                                               ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:29                                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-12-13 10:12                                                 ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
     [not found]                                                 ` <mailman.179.1039743000.19936.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2002-12-13 19:11                                                   ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) David Masterson
2002-12-13 19:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier <foo@acm.com>
2002-12-17  0:33                                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-12 20:27                                             ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-12 21:28                                             ` Anil Trivedi [this message]
2002-12-13  1:30                                               ` Miles Bader
2002-12-11 20:49                                     ` Software/HD ecology Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12  4:44                                       ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-12  4:58                                         ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12  6:16                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-12-12 14:50                                         ` Phillip Lord
2002-12-12 19:40                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-12 21:39                                           ` Anil Trivedi
2002-12-13  1:35                                             ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12 23:23                                       ` David Masterson
2002-12-11 21:34                                     ` Software/HD ecology (was Re:...Bug in Emacs 21.3.50) Bijan Soleymani
2002-12-10  5:23             ` Emacs 21.3.50 on Mac OSX 10.2.2 David Combs
2002-12-10  8:29               ` Ajanta
2002-12-07  8:19 ` Thanks to all (Re: Mac OSX TeX / To X11 or Not?) new2osx
2002-12-07  9:35   ` David Kastrup

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