From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "roodwriter@core.com" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone use menus? Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:52:46 -0400 Organization: roodwriter@core.com Message-ID: <11be0jsbiu8ki93@corp.supernews.com> References: Reply-To: roodwriter@core.com NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119289759 17012 80.91.229.2 (20 Jun 2005 17:49:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 20 19:49:16 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkQO9-0002jo-JO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:48:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DkQUO-0007Ml-Kz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:55:16 -0400 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-12!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: KNode/0.7.7 Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Original-Lines: 48 Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:132080 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:27552 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:27552 Dmitriy wrote: > Hello, > what do you think of menus importance for vim? How often do the people > use menus, or commands are enough to make one happy? Would anyone > complain if there were no menus at all? > > I am developing an IDE supporting a number of external plug-in editors > including vim. I am about to use no menus for emacs plug-in, because of > interference with IDE's own menu system. So I wonder if it would make > any problems for emacs users. > > I would appreciate any opinions/considerations on the subject > Thanks, > Dmitriy I can only speak for myself, really, but my guess is that the average accomplished Emacs user won't miss them much. I'm guessing that one thing that Vi/Vim and Emacs users have in common is a preference for keyboard commands, finding them much more quick, easy and natural. I generally have the menu bar hidden, revealing it once a month when I use the mouse to change one bookmark. If it weren't there I'd be forced to learn the bookmarking command, which would probably be good for me. The menu can be handy when you need to adjust the configuration files using the configuration menus. It's probably also a good crutch for new users who might be overwhelmed otherwise. I don't have much of an opinion about a Vi/Vim menu system. I've been taking some time to learn it (them) on grounds I feel I should be familiar with both the great editors, but Vi/Vim don't work for the type of work I do and the way my fingers work. I'm not sure how you're trying to amalgamate the editors from the description but are you aware that Emacs has a Vi emulator called Viper mode? --Rod -- Author of "Linux for Non-Geeks--Clear-eyed Answers for Practical Consumers" and "Boring Stories from Uncle Rod." Both are available at http://www.rodwriterpublishing.com/index.html. To reply take the extra "o" out of the name.