* VHDL and Emacs (My experience) @ 2007-04-28 19:03 mans 2007-04-28 19:38 ` Mike Treseler ` (4 more replies) 0 siblings, 5 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: mans @ 2007-04-28 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Hello, I am new in VHDL and Emacs and I tried to use Emacs for editing VHDL and attaching it to ISE. My experience is as follow: Overall: Emacs has a very good editor for VHDL editing. It has several good features such as auto indentation and syntax highlighting. Over all it is very good if you can use it (I could not!) What I did: I download my copy of Emacs from http://www.ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html . I installed it in my windows XP professional system and setup ISE to use it. It works well with ISE. Problems that I had: 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to configure wmacsw32 without any success. 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) 3- I read that you can see a hierarchy of your VHDL code, but I can not turn it on (I don't know how to turn it on!). 4- I can not find any documentation on facilities which are available in VHDL mode. 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item disappears! Best regards Ps: Does Eclipse support VHDL? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-28 19:03 VHDL and Emacs (My experience) mans @ 2007-04-28 19:38 ` Mike Treseler 2007-04-29 0:30 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Mike Treseler @ 2007-04-28 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs mans wrote: > > 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. True, but the the arrow keys, and mouse, and menus work without knowing any shortcuts. > 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) True. I just leave it running all day. > 3- I read that you can see a hierarchy of your VHDL code, but I can not > turn it on (I don't know how to turn it on!). That requires vhdl-mode and speedbar. vhdl-mode.el is not included in most windows distributions, get it here: http://www.iis.ee.ethz.ch/~zimmi/emacs/vhdl-mode.html > Ps: Does Eclipse support VHDL? Not like it support Java. -- Mike Treseler ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-28 19:03 VHDL and Emacs (My experience) mans 2007-04-28 19:38 ` Mike Treseler @ 2007-04-29 0:30 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) [not found] ` <mailman.2661.1177807020.7795.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-04-29 0:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myname_here; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs mans wrote: > Problems that I had: Thanks for telling us about the problems so we may try to get them fixed. > 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to configure > wmacsw32 without any success. Can you please tell me what you did and how it failed? There is a quick setup for those things if you use the menus: Options - Customize EmacsW32 ... > 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) You should use EmacsClient and only start Emacs once. Making it easy to get started using EmacsClient is one of the main things the installer for Emacs+EmacsW32 is trying to help you with. Several shortcuts gets installed that lets you start Emacs through EmacsClient. There is one in the start menu and you get one in the SendTo menu. If you prefer working from the command line there is a command line script called e.cmd for this. If you use the patched version then Emacs server gets started automatically through those shortcuts and or the command line scripts. (For the unpatched version you have to start Emacs server yourself, please read the Emacs manual.) > 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item > disappears! Can you please describe this more? Exactly when does this happen? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
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* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) [not found] ` <mailman.2661.1177807020.7795.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2007-04-29 14:47 ` mans 2007-04-30 9:57 ` JK 2007-05-10 13:54 ` Robert Thorpe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: mans @ 2007-04-29 14:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > > Thanks for telling us about the problems so we may try to get them fixed. Thank you for helping me to solve the problem. > >> 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to >> configure wmacsw32 without any success. > > Can you please tell me what you did and how it failed? There is a quick > setup for those things if you use the menus: > > Options - Customize EmacsW32 ... I did use this option and it didn't work for me. I set the CUA in option and it is working. One point that probably confuse people is that even in this case, the short cuts in edit menu is not C-x and C-c and so on. > >> 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) > > You should use EmacsClient and only start Emacs once. > > Making it easy to get started using EmacsClient is one of the main things > the installer for Emacs+EmacsW32 is trying to help you with. Several > shortcuts gets installed that lets you start Emacs through EmacsClient. > There is one in the start menu and you get one in the SendTo menu. If you > prefer working from the command line there is a command line script called > e.cmd for this. > > If you use the patched version then Emacs server gets started > automatically through those shortcuts and or the command line scripts. > (For the unpatched version you have to start Emacs server yourself, please > read the Emacs manual.) I think I don't have the patched version. I will try to see what I can do with this but as long as I am not closing emacs after each edit, I don't need to restart it. I am happy! >> 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item >> disappears! > > Can you please describe this more? Exactly when does this happen? It happens before to me but it is working well now. I will post the details if it happens again to me. More on new and old problems that I have: 1- I can set speedbar and used it. It is a very useful facility. The problem is that I can not dock it into emacs. Is there any way to dock it into emacs so it doesn't start as a new window? 2- If I have a file that I modified with ISE, when I open it with Emacs, I can see a ^M at the end of each line. This generates error during indentation. I could not find any way to fix it. I only can remove them manually which is time consuming. Any way to do this in emacs or ISE or by any other tools? One suggestion: As during editing, it is possible to edit several files, is there any way to save all files just by pressing a button on toolbar or a menu item? My view of emacs for editing VHDL is no changed and I am very happy to use it with VHDL. Best regards and thanks for helping to use emacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-29 14:47 ` mans @ 2007-04-30 9:57 ` JK 2007-04-30 11:27 ` mans 2007-04-30 19:47 ` Mike Treseler 2007-05-10 13:54 ` Robert Thorpe 1 sibling, 2 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: JK @ 2007-04-30 9:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Apr 29, 7:47 pm, "mans" <(myname_here)_123...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Thanks for telling us about the problems so we may try to get them fixed. > > Thank you for helping me to solve the problem. > > > > >> 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to > >> configure wmacsw32 without any success. > > > Can you please tell me what you did and how it failed? There is a quick > > setup for those things if you use the menus: > > > Options - Customize EmacsW32 ... > > I did use this option and it didn't work for me. I set the CUA in option and > it is working. One point that probably confuse people is that even in this > case, the short cuts in edit menu is not C-x and C-c and so on. > > > > > > > > >> 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) > > > You should use EmacsClient and only start Emacs once. > > > Making it easy to get started using EmacsClient is one of the main things > > the installer for Emacs+EmacsW32 is trying to help you with. Several > > shortcuts gets installed that lets you start Emacs through EmacsClient. > > There is one in the start menu and you get one in the SendTo menu. If you > > prefer working from the command line there is a command line script called > > e.cmd for this. > > > If you use the patched version then Emacs server gets started > > automatically through those shortcuts and or the command line scripts. > > (For the unpatched version you have to start Emacs server yourself, please > > read the Emacs manual.) > > I think I don't have the patched version. I will try to see what I can do > with this but as long as I am not closing emacs after each edit, I don't > need to restart it. I am happy! > > >> 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item > >> disappears! > > > Can you please describe this more? Exactly when does this happen? > > It happens before to me but it is working well now. I will post the details > if it happens again to me. > > More on new and old problems that I have: > > 1- I can set speedbar and used it. It is a very useful facility. The problem > is that I can not dock it into emacs. Is there any way to dock it into emacs > so it doesn't start as a new window? > > 2- If I have a file that I modified with ISE, when I open it with Emacs, I > can see a ^M at the end of each line. This generates error during > indentation. I could not find any way to fix it. I only can remove them > manually which is time consuming. Any way to do this in emacs or ISE or by > any other tools? > > One suggestion: > > As during editing, it is possible to edit several files, is there any way > to save all files just by pressing a button on toolbar or a menu item? > > My view of emacs for editing VHDL is no changed and I am very happy to use > it with VHDL. > > Best regards and thanks for helping to use emacs.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I downloaded emacs - windows version from http://www.ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl (Download Latest EmacsW32 + Emacs patched). It supports vhdl mode. Its really good. You can give a try. JK I ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-30 9:57 ` JK @ 2007-04-30 11:27 ` mans 2007-04-30 12:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) ` (2 more replies) 2007-04-30 19:47 ` Mike Treseler 1 sibling, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: mans @ 2007-04-30 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs "JK" <krishna.janumanchi@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1177927075.175252.171140@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > On Apr 29, 7:47 pm, "mans" <(myname_here)_123...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > Thanks for telling us about the problems so we may try to get them >> > fixed. >> >> Thank you for helping me to solve the problem. >> >> >> >> >> 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to >> >> configure wmacsw32 without any success. >> >> > Can you please tell me what you did and how it failed? There is a quick >> > setup for those things if you use the menus: >> >> > Options - Customize EmacsW32 ... >> >> I did use this option and it didn't work for me. I set the CUA in option >> and >> it is working. One point that probably confuse people is that even in >> this >> case, the short cuts in edit menu is not C-x and C-c and so on. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) >> >> > You should use EmacsClient and only start Emacs once. >> >> > Making it easy to get started using EmacsClient is one of the main >> > things >> > the installer for Emacs+EmacsW32 is trying to help you with. Several >> > shortcuts gets installed that lets you start Emacs through EmacsClient. >> > There is one in the start menu and you get one in the SendTo menu. If >> > you >> > prefer working from the command line there is a command line script >> > called >> > e.cmd for this. >> >> > If you use the patched version then Emacs server gets started >> > automatically through those shortcuts and or the command line scripts. >> > (For the unpatched version you have to start Emacs server yourself, >> > please >> > read the Emacs manual.) >> >> I think I don't have the patched version. I will try to see what I can do >> with this but as long as I am not closing emacs after each edit, I don't >> need to restart it. I am happy! >> >> >> 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item >> >> disappears! >> >> > Can you please describe this more? Exactly when does this happen? >> >> It happens before to me but it is working well now. I will post the >> details >> if it happens again to me. >> >> More on new and old problems that I have: >> >> 1- I can set speedbar and used it. It is a very useful facility. The >> problem >> is that I can not dock it into emacs. Is there any way to dock it into >> emacs >> so it doesn't start as a new window? >> >> 2- If I have a file that I modified with ISE, when I open it with Emacs, >> I >> can see a ^M at the end of each line. This generates error during >> indentation. I could not find any way to fix it. I only can remove them >> manually which is time consuming. Any way to do this in emacs or ISE or >> by >> any other tools? >> >> One suggestion: >> >> As during editing, it is possible to edit several files, is there any >> way >> to save all files just by pressing a button on toolbar or a menu item? >> >> My view of emacs for editing VHDL is no changed and I am very happy to >> use >> it with VHDL. >> >> Best regards and thanks for helping to use emacs.- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > I downloaded emacs - windows version from > http://www.ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl > (Download Latest EmacsW32 + Emacs patched). > It supports vhdl mode. Its really good. You can give a try. > > JK > I If you use it with ISE, would you please tell me how did you setup ISE to use it? In my setup, emacs is runs every time and also when I click on an error in ISE, it can not bring me to the specific line in the source code. Best regards ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-30 11:27 ` mans @ 2007-04-30 12:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-04-30 15:59 ` JK 2007-05-10 8:58 ` mit.brooks 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-04-30 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: myname_here; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs mans wrote: > If you use it with ISE, would you please tell me how did you setup ISE to > use it? > In my setup, emacs is runs every time and also when I click on an error in > ISE, it can not bring me to the specific line in the source code. I know nothing about ISE, but is sounds like you have bound it to Emacs directly instead of to emacsclientw.exe / emacsclient.exe. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-30 11:27 ` mans 2007-04-30 12:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-04-30 15:59 ` JK 2007-05-10 8:58 ` mit.brooks 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: JK @ 2007-04-30 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Apr 30, 4:27 pm, "mans" <(myname_here)_123...@yahoo.com> wrote: > "JK" <krishna.januman...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1177927075.175252.171140@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:47 pm, "mans" <(myname_here)_123...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> > Thanks for telling us about the problems so we may try to get them > >> > fixed. > > >> Thank you for helping me to solve the problem. > > >> >> 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to > >> >> configure wmacsw32 without any success. > > >> > Can you please tell me what you did and how it failed? There is a quick > >> > setup for those things if you use the menus: > > >> > Options - Customize EmacsW32 ... > > >> I did use this option and it didn't work for me. I set the CUA in option > >> and > >> it is working. One point that probably confuse people is that even in > >> this > >> case, the short cuts in edit menu is not C-x and C-c and so on. > > >> >> 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) > > >> > You should use EmacsClient and only start Emacs once. > > >> > Making it easy to get started using EmacsClient is one of the main > >> > things > >> > the installer for Emacs+EmacsW32 is trying to help you with. Several > >> > shortcuts gets installed that lets you start Emacs through EmacsClient. > >> > There is one in the start menu and you get one in the SendTo menu. If > >> > you > >> > prefer working from the command line there is a command line script > >> > called > >> > e.cmd for this. > > >> > If you use the patched version then Emacs server gets started > >> > automatically through those shortcuts and or the command line scripts. > >> > (For the unpatched version you have to start Emacs server yourself, > >> > please > >> > read the Emacs manual.) > > >> I think I don't have the patched version. I will try to see what I can do > >> with this but as long as I am not closing emacs after each edit, I don't > >> need to restart it. I am happy! > > >> >> 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item > >> >> disappears! > > >> > Can you please describe this more? Exactly when does this happen? > > >> It happens before to me but it is working well now. I will post the > >> details > >> if it happens again to me. > > >> More on new and old problems that I have: > > >> 1- I can set speedbar and used it. It is a very useful facility. The > >> problem > >> is that I can not dock it into emacs. Is there any way to dock it into > >> emacs > >> so it doesn't start as a new window? > > >> 2- If I have a file that I modified with ISE, when I open it with Emacs, > >> I > >> can see a ^M at the end of each line. This generates error during > >> indentation. I could not find any way to fix it. I only can remove them > >> manually which is time consuming. Any way to do this in emacs or ISE or > >> by > >> any other tools? > > >> One suggestion: > > >> As during editing, it is possible to edit several files, is there any > >> way > >> to save all files just by pressing a button on toolbar or a menu item? > > >> My view of emacs for editing VHDL is no changed and I am very happy to > >> use > >> it with VHDL. > > >> Best regards and thanks for helping to use emacs.- Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > I downloaded emacs - windows version from > >http://www.ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl > > (Download Latest EmacsW32 + Emacs patched). > > It supports vhdl mode. Its really good. You can give a try. > > > JK > > I > > If you use it with ISE, would you please tell me how did you setup ISE to > use it? > In my setup, emacs is runs every time and also when I click on an error in > ISE, it can not bring me to the specific line in the source code. > > Best regards- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - No, I am not using Emacs with ISE. For Design Entry I am using Emacs32 only and in this, I set Compiler as Modelsim. So, once I complete my coding, I do compilation in Emacs32 itself to check syntax errors if any. Regards, JK ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-30 11:27 ` mans 2007-04-30 12:02 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-04-30 15:59 ` JK @ 2007-05-10 8:58 ` mit.brooks 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: mit.brooks @ 2007-05-10 8:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > If you use it with ISE, would you please tell me how did you setup ISE to > use it? > In my setup, emacs is runs every time and also when I click on an error in > ISE, it can not bring me to the specific line in the source code. > > Best regards I use Emacs with ISE - go to http://www.xilinx.com/xlnx/xil_ans_display.jsp?iLanguageID=1&iCountryID=1&getPagePath=13713 to find out how to integrate emacs with ISE. $2 = line number, $1 = file name ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-30 9:57 ` JK 2007-04-30 11:27 ` mans @ 2007-04-30 19:47 ` Mike Treseler 1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Mike Treseler @ 2007-04-30 19:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs JK wrote: > I downloaded emacs - windows version from > http://www.ourcomments.org/cgi-bin/emacsw32-dl-latest.pl > (Download Latest EmacsW32 + Emacs patched). > It supports vhdl mode. Its really good. You can give a try. I just did. That's the best windows install I've seen. Speedbar and vhdl-mode are built-in and *work*. However, I'll keep my linux box until there is a real shell integrated just as well. -- Mike Treseler ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-29 14:47 ` mans 2007-04-30 9:57 ` JK @ 2007-05-10 13:54 ` Robert Thorpe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Robert Thorpe @ 2007-05-10 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On Apr 29, 3:47 pm, "mans" <(myname_here)_123...@yahoo.com> wrote: > 2- If I have a file that I modified with ISE, when I open it with Emacs, I > can see a ^M at the end of each line. This generates error during > indentation. I could not find any way to fix it. I only can remove them > manually which is time consuming. Any way to do this in emacs or ISE or by > any other tools? That indicates that your file is stored with odd line endings. Generally there are two styles of line ending, "Carriage Return" + "Line Feed" CRLF which is used in MSDOS. And simple Line-Feed (LF) endings, used in Unix and now in Windows. What Emacs does is to read the file and find out which sort of endings are in use and automatically default to the right ones. The problem here is likely that you are saving the file with LF endings and opening it again with ISE which uses CRLF endings. Emacs doesn't expect the endings to change as you edit the file. The solution is probably to open and save the files initially using CRLF endings. So, to fix this open up your file using Emacs and type C-x RET f "dos" RET. Or select the menu Options->Mule->Set coding systems->For Saving this Buffer. Post again if doing the above doesn't work. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-28 19:03 VHDL and Emacs (My experience) mans ` (2 preceding siblings ...) [not found] ` <mailman.2661.1177807020.7795.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> @ 2007-05-10 2:00 ` JussiJ 2007-05-10 11:33 ` Marcus Harnisch 4 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: JussiJ @ 2007-05-10 2:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs mans (myname_here) wrote: > Over all it is very good if you can use it (I could not!) You could try the Zeus for Windows IDE: http://www.zeusedit.com NOTE: Zeus is shareware. It should be easy enough to configure Zeus for VHDL. FWIW the next Zeus release will come with better configuration for VHDL and will also add code folding for the VHDL language. > Problems that I had: > > 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried > to configure wmacsw32 without any success. The Zeus keyboard is Windows aware and is also fully configurable. > 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) Generally Zeus will load in less than a second. > 3- I read that you can see a hierarchy of your VHDL code, but I > can not turn it on (I don't know how to turn it on!). Zeus provides code hierarchy via the information provided by the ctags utility. I am not sure if ctags supports VHDL, but if it does this information should apear in the class panel of the navigator. Cheers Jussi Jumppanen Author: Zeus for Windows IDE ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-04-28 19:03 VHDL and Emacs (My experience) mans ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2007-05-10 2:00 ` JussiJ @ 2007-05-10 11:33 ` Marcus Harnisch 2007-05-11 13:18 ` Andy 4 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Marcus Harnisch @ 2007-05-10 11:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs "mans" <(myname_here)_123456@yahoo.com> writes: > Emacs has a very good editor for VHDL editing. It has several good features > such as auto indentation and syntax highlighting. Over all it is very good > if you can use it (I could not!) This sounds like a good start. Don't let yourself get discouraged. > 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to configure > wmacsw32 without any success. Personally, I use XEmacs (Linux, Win32 native) which might be a little different. Here, the old-school windows shortcuts for copy/paste do work (C-Insert, S-Insert, etc.). The others, C-c in particular won't and I would not recommend changing the mappings. pc-select mode gives you the selection behavior using S-right/left/up/down (cursor keys). > 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) Depends on what your config file looks like. I'd consider using the clients. > 3- I read that you can see a hierarchy of your VHDL code, but I can not > turn it on (I don't know how to turn it on!). You will have to load a package called "speedbar". If that has not been installed already you can get it from http://cedet.sourceforge.net/ > 4- I can not find any documentation on facilities which are available > in VHDL mode. In VHDL mode type: C-c C-h > 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item > disappears! Dunno. Regards -- Marcus note that "property" can also be used as syntaxtic sugar to reference a property, breaking the clean design of verilog; [...] (seen on http://www.veripool.com/verilog-mode_news.html) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-10 11:33 ` Marcus Harnisch @ 2007-05-11 13:18 ` Andy 2007-05-11 19:31 ` Drew Adams ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Andy @ 2007-05-11 13:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On May 10, 6:33 am, Marcus Harnisch <marcus.harni...@gmx.net> wrote: > "mans" <(myname_here)_123...@yahoo.com> writes: > > Emacs has a very good editor for VHDL editing. It has several good features > > such as auto indentation and syntax highlighting. Over all it is very good > > if you can use it (I could not!) > > This sounds like a good start. Don't let yourself get discouraged. > > > 1- Its keyboard shortcuts are not windows based. I tried to configure > > wmacsw32 without any success. > > Personally, I use XEmacs (Linux, Win32 native) which might be a little > different. Here, the old-school windows shortcuts for copy/paste do work > (C-Insert, S-Insert, etc.). The others, C-c in particular won't and I > would not recommend changing the mappings. pc-select mode gives you > the selection behavior using S-right/left/up/down (cursor keys). > > > 2- It is very slow to start ( I didn't use emacs clinets) > > Depends on what your config file looks like. I'd consider using the > clients. > > > 3- I read that you can see a hierarchy of your VHDL code, but I can not > > turn it on (I don't know how to turn it on!). > > You will have to load a package called "speedbar". If that has not > been installed already you can get it from > http://cedet.sourceforge.net/ > > > 4- I can not find any documentation on facilities which are available > > in VHDL mode. > > In VHDL mode type: C-c C-h > > > 5- Some times when I try to click on VHDL menu, this menu item > > disappears! > > Dunno. > > Regards > -- Marcus > > note that "property" can also be used as syntaxtic sugar to reference > a property, breaking the clean design of verilog; [...] > > (seen onhttp://www.veripool.com/verilog-mode_news.html) I use xemacs with cua mode and it handles most of the windows shortcuts (including C-c, C-x and C-v). I had to set another couple of options to get it to treat the selected text as "pending delete" too. I just wish there was a handy way to select a word or phrase in the code and then search for other occurrences of it, with minimal additional typing. There probably is, but I just don't know it yet! If you really cannot stomach the rest of the emacs wizardy, try jGrasp (free) from University of Auburn. It has very good highlighting and indentation (it does not autocapitalize). It also can insert Control Structure Diagram (CSD) graphics in the left margin/whitespace including buttons for collapsing/expanding code segments, etc. Mousing over the appropriate CSD graphic then shows you the top of that control structure (process/loop/if-then/case, etc), and if it was off screen, it temporarily shows it on the top row. It uses java and is portable between unix/linux and windows, but it is not slow like some other java based editors. Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* RE: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-11 13:18 ` Andy @ 2007-05-11 19:31 ` Drew Adams 2007-05-14 8:07 ` Martin Thompson 2007-05-14 17:07 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2007-05-11 19:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy, help-gnu-emacs > I just wish there was a handy way to select a word or phrase in the > code and then search for other occurrences of it, with minimal > additional typing. There probably is, but I just don't know it yet! You were writing about XEmacs, which I'm not very familiar with. But in GNU Emacs, at least as far back as version 20, you can use `M-y' during incremental search to search for the text in the region. So, just "select a word or phrase in the code" in whatever way you like (e.g. mouse), and use `M-y' during isearch to append that text to the search pattern. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-11 13:18 ` Andy 2007-05-11 19:31 ` Drew Adams @ 2007-05-14 8:07 ` Martin Thompson 2007-05-14 17:07 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Martin Thompson @ 2007-05-14 8:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Andy <jonesandy@comcast.net> writes: > I use xemacs with cua mode and it handles most of the windows > shortcuts (including C-c, C-x and C-v). I had to set another couple of > options to get it to treat the selected text as "pending delete" too. > I just wish there was a handy way to select a word or phrase in the > code and then search for other occurrences of it, with minimal > additional typing. There probably is, but I just don't know it yet! > Hi Andy, Does C-s, M-y do what you want? This calls up a search and pastes your previous copy into it. I have C-s bound to isearch-forward, which may be non-default. C-s might be a normal (non-incremental) search, in which case, C-s, C-y might do the trick? Alternatively, "M-x occur" is useful, it opens another window listing which lines a particular phrase (well, regexp) occurs in. If you like it, bind a key for that too :-) I also have a key bound to mark and copy the word/signalname/etc that is under the cursor, all in one go. which is quite handy for these sorts of things... Cheers, Martin -- martin.j.thompson@trw.com TRW Conekt - Consultancy in Engineering, Knowledge and Technology http://www.conekt.net/electronics.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-11 13:18 ` Andy 2007-05-11 19:31 ` Drew Adams 2007-05-14 8:07 ` Martin Thompson @ 2007-05-14 17:07 ` Mike Treseler 2007-05-14 18:07 ` Andy 2 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Mike Treseler @ 2007-05-14 17:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Andy wrote: > I had to set another couple of > options to get it to treat the selected text as "pending delete" too. I do that with query-replace. > I just wish there was a handy way to select a word or phrase in the > code and then search for other occurrences of it, with minimal > additional typing. There probably is, but I just don't know it yet! Like most tasks, it's easy once you know how to do it :) C-s Then type enough letters to see the instances light up. C-s again to jump to the next instance, etc. -- Mike Treseler ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 17:07 ` Mike Treseler @ 2007-05-14 18:07 ` Andy 2007-05-14 18:47 ` Drew Adams ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Andy @ 2007-05-14 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On May 14, 12:07 pm, Mike Treseler <mike_trese...@comcast.net> wrote: > Andy wrote: > > I had to set another couple of > > options to get it to treat the selected text as "pending delete" too. > > I do that with query-replace. > > > I just wish there was a handy way to select a word or phrase in the > > code and then search for other occurrences of it, with minimal > > additional typing. There probably is, but I just don't know it yet! > > Like most tasks, it's easy once you know how to do it :) > > C-s > > Then type enough letters to see the instances light up. > > C-s again to jump to the next instance, etc. > > -- Mike Treseler Mike, Thanks, but I already know how to use C-s (that's what I end up using). Unfortunately, it still requires me to type the word (or enough of it to be sufficiently unique) to start the search. I was looking for something that allows me to select an existing word, usually a port or signal/variable name (with mouse or keyboard), and search for other occurrences of that word. Typing the entire word gets tedious when using long names with specific suffixes, which require that virtually the entire name be re-typed. When in I-search (C-s), a C-v (paste) does not act like I typed it, but actually inserts the copy buffer at the cursor location. It's like the C-v operation overrides the fact that one is already in I-search mode. Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* RE: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 18:07 ` Andy @ 2007-05-14 18:47 ` Drew Adams 2007-05-14 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-14 18:51 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-14 19:10 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2007-05-14 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > C-s ... Unfortunately, it still requires me to type the word... > to start the search. I was looking for something that allows me > to select an existing word... (with mouse or keyboard), and > search for other occurrences of that word. ... C-s M-y appends copied text to the search string. C-s M-w appends the word starting at the cursor to the search string. Use additional M-w to append additional words. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 18:47 ` Drew Adams @ 2007-05-14 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-14 19:02 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-14 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs Drew Adams wrote: >> C-s ... Unfortunately, it still requires me to type the word... >> to start the search. I was looking for something that allows me >> to select an existing word... (with mouse or keyboard), and >> search for other occurrences of that word. ... > > C-s M-y appends copied text to the search string. > > C-s M-w appends the word starting at the cursor to the search string. > Use additional M-w to append additional words. Should that be C-s C-w? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* RE: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 18:56 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-14 19:02 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2007-05-14 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs > >> C-s ... Unfortunately, it still requires me to type the word... > >> to start the search. I was looking for something that allows me > >> to select an existing word... (with mouse or keyboard), and > >> search for other occurrences of that word. ... > > > > C-s M-y appends copied text to the search string. > > > > C-s M-w appends the word starting at the cursor to the search string. > > Use additional M-w to append additional words. > > Should that be C-s C-w? Yes, sorry. That's what happens when the fingers typing about fingers typing don't talk to the typing fingers before typing. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 18:07 ` Andy 2007-05-14 18:47 ` Drew Adams @ 2007-05-14 18:51 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) 2007-05-14 19:10 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-14 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: help-gnu-emacs Andy wrote: > On May 14, 12:07 pm, Mike Treseler <mike_trese...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Andy wrote: >>> I had to set another couple of >>> options to get it to treat the selected text as "pending delete" too. >> I do that with query-replace. >> >>> I just wish there was a handy way to select a word or phrase in the >>> code and then search for other occurrences of it, with minimal >>> additional typing. There probably is, but I just don't know it yet! >> Like most tasks, it's easy once you know how to do it :) >> >> C-s >> >> Then type enough letters to see the instances light up. >> >> C-s again to jump to the next instance, etc. >> >> -- Mike Treseler > > Mike, > > Thanks, but I already know how to use C-s (that's what I end up > using). Unfortunately, it still requires me to type the word (or > enough of it to be sufficiently unique) to start the search. I was > looking for something that allows me to select an existing word, > usually a port or signal/variable name (with mouse or keyboard), and > search for other occurrences of that word. Typing the entire word gets > tedious when using long names with specific suffixes, which require > that virtually the entire name be re-typed. When in I-search (C-s), a > C-v (paste) does not act like I typed it, but actually inserts the > copy buffer at the cursor location. It's like the C-v operation > overrides the fact that one is already in I-search mode. You can use M-y to yank (ie paste) text into the C-s search string. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 18:07 ` Andy 2007-05-14 18:47 ` Drew Adams 2007-05-14 18:51 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail) @ 2007-05-14 19:10 ` Mike Treseler 2007-05-15 13:28 ` Andy 2 siblings, 1 reply; 27+ messages in thread From: Mike Treseler @ 2007-05-14 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Andy wrote: > I was > looking for something that allows me to select an existing word, > usually a port or signal/variable name (with mouse or keyboard), and > search for other occurrences of that word. Typing the entire word gets > tedious when using long names with specific suffixes, which require > that virtually the entire name be re-typed. I would just mark with the mouse then, C-s and paste into the mini-buffer with the center mouse key. Then C-s, C-s, ... -- Mike Treseler ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-14 19:10 ` Mike Treseler @ 2007-05-15 13:28 ` Andy 2007-05-15 13:57 ` Seweryn Kokot ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Andy @ 2007-05-15 13:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs On May 14, 2:10 pm, Mike Treseler <mike_trese...@comcast.net> wrote: > Andy wrote: > > I was > > looking for something that allows me to select an existing word, > > usually a port or signal/variable name (with mouse or keyboard), and > > search for other occurrences of that word. Typing the entire word gets > > tedious when using long names with specific suffixes, which require > > that virtually the entire name be re-typed. > > I would just mark with the mouse then, C-s > and paste into the mini-buffer with > the center mouse key. Then C-s, C-s, ... > > -- Mike Treseler Mike, Thanks! that works! Is there a keyboard equivalent of center mouse key? Andy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-15 13:28 ` Andy @ 2007-05-15 13:57 ` Seweryn Kokot 2007-05-15 14:01 ` Drew Adams 2007-05-15 16:49 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Seweryn Kokot @ 2007-05-15 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Andy <jonesandy@comcast.net> writes: > > Is there a keyboard equivalent of center mouse key? Go with point (cursor) on the first letter of a word then: C-s C-w or for expanding the marking C-s C-w C-w ... Seweryn ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* RE: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-15 13:28 ` Andy 2007-05-15 13:57 ` Seweryn Kokot @ 2007-05-15 14:01 ` Drew Adams 2007-05-15 16:49 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2007-05-15 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andy, help-gnu-emacs > > I would just mark with the mouse then, C-s > > and paste into the mini-buffer with > > the center mouse key. Then C-s, C-s, ... > > Thanks! that works! > > Is there a keyboard equivalent of center mouse key? As has been stated by several people in this thread already: during incremental search, `M-y'. (Outside of incremental search, the equivalent is of course `C-y'.) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
* Re: VHDL and Emacs (My experience) 2007-05-15 13:28 ` Andy 2007-05-15 13:57 ` Seweryn Kokot 2007-05-15 14:01 ` Drew Adams @ 2007-05-15 16:49 ` Mike Treseler 2 siblings, 0 replies; 27+ messages in thread From: Mike Treseler @ 2007-05-15 16:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: help-gnu-emacs Andy wrote: > Mike, > Thanks! that works! > Is there a keyboard equivalent of center mouse key? Well, there is a function. C-h k click2 says: <mouse-2> at that spot runs the command mouse-insert-selection which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `mouse-sel'. (mouse-insert-selection EVENT) But if I don't press the mouse button there is no interrupt, and I don't get the right coordinates. In any case, Pontus has already converted me to click1, C-s, C-w, ... That's easier on my right hand. -- Mike Treseler ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 27+ messages in thread
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