From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Ryo" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: keyboard for emacs? Date: 26 Dec 2006 18:56:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1167188207.954542.311960@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167190830 2581 80.91.229.10 (27 Dec 2006 03:40:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 27 04:40:29 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1GzPeS-0007GD-AK for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Dec 2006 04:40:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GzPeR-0003aJ-TB for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:40:23 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!79g2000cws.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 31 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.171.156.62 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1167188214 31430 127.0.0.1 (27 Dec 2006 02:56:54 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 02:56:54 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Opera/9.10 (X11; Linux i686; U; en),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 79g2000cws.googlegroups.com; posting-host=128.171.156.62; posting-account=LBWHzQwAAAAlK4MtFb0Svk8BP5GZW6My Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:144332 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:39935 Archived-At: Hi Ronald wrote: > Is today's keyboard suitable for using emacs? > > I saw an old one today on en.wikipedia.org/wiki/vi. > > The layout is more suitable for vi and emacs. > > I doubt today's popular keyboard layouts is not mainly for programmers, > especially UNIX programmers. > > Any good idea? I'm not sure if I understand your problem correctly, but . . . 1) I think that the most common English keyboards which come with DOS/V PCs are annoying if used with vi and emacs because the ESC key is far above and the Ctrl key is far below. 2) There are keyboards with the Ctrl key to the left of the "A" key and the ESC key to the left of the "1/!" key, such as the one I use (Happy Hacking Keyboard). 3) It is possible to change key-layouts "software-wise". For example, when I have to use the annoying PC keyboard, I exchange Ctrl with Caps. I don't physically replace the plastic pieces, but install a piece of software or make a software arrangement so that the physical Caps key functions as a Ctrl key. Regards, Ryo