From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: david.reitter@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: 7 Jan 2006 22:05:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1136656398.065420.212410@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <1136547135.233302.98730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <85oe2ol5ik.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136795172 21174 80.91.229.2 (9 Jan 2006 08:26:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 09 09:26:09 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvsLn-0003o3-Q7 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:26:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EvsNh-0003L4-TS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 03:27:58 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 39 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.41.74.89 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1136794923 2160 127.0.0.1 (9 Jan 2006 08:22:03 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:22:03 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <85oe2ol5ik.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/416.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/416.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.41.74.89; posting-account=VxtxShIAAAAyATreB9RNYoFcRu4SpMFVEC9YFuAlbPn1KBMEY3FC1g Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136936 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32555 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > > Practically, something like the Aquamacs distribubtion and the vast > > majority of software in general has started out of practical needs. > > That's what Linus Torvalds says about Linux. > > Torvalds said no such thing. He wanted a system with the freedom to > tamper with. GNU was perfect for that, but had no kernel. So he > wrote a kernel. For the purpose of being able to tamper with it. > Which is one of the fundamental freedoms of free software. Well there's your a practical reason. Things are being written because someone needed them. I doubt that people write drivers just for the heck of it. > But if you make if impossible to combine your technical advantages > with the upstream code base, there is nothing attractive in it for > anyone except the proponents of proprietary systems. Sorry, the "impossible" thing is simply not true. I've told you time and again that I'll try to make it possible to get copyright assignments for the icons at some point. (And there are no icons right now anyways, so the whole discussion is academic). And with regards to existing code, all that is not a publicly available package which we're including in the distribution, i.e. all the code is GPL'ed and I have signed the letter with the FSF. Many things have already been made available for integration. The rest of the appeal of Aquamacs comes from packages that have been written by others. color-theme, pager, redo, a bunch of major modes spring to mind. The fact that they're available without installation or configuration is a major advantage to most users. Heck I'd be honored if people showed an interest to integrate this, or to make Aquamacs available for other systems. But don't forget that Aquamacs changes the UI significantly, in part by redefining, patching, advising functions. This change in UI is its main motivation. I don't know if themes support such business.