From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: david.reitter@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: 6 Jan 2006 03:32:15 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1136547135.233302.98730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136621153 18058 80.91.229.2 (7 Jan 2006 08:05:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 08:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 07 09:05:50 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev95C-0002dO-7t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 09:05:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Ev96z-0000X7-GR for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 03:07:42 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.freenet.de!213.132.189.2.MISMATCH!multikabel.net!feed20.multikabel.net!txtfeed2.tudelft.nl!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!news.glorb.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 29 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.41.74.89 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1136547140 32452 127.0.0.1 (6 Jan 2006 11:32:20 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:32:20 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/416.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/416.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com; posting-host=82.41.74.89; posting-account=VxtxShIAAAAyATreB9RNYoFcRu4SpMFVEC9YFuAlbPn1KBMEY3FC1g Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136904 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32523 Archived-At: > There is no market. Free developers don't produce > commodities. They aren't looking for customers. They are > freely working to create a free tool (which is always better > than the tools which are commodities). What good is a free tool if it isn't used? How will people learn about the advantages of freedom, if not by exercising it? Isn't it na=EFve to think that many people will eventually use tools for the spirit involved in their making, even though the tools are inconvenient? Let's strive for technically excellence through exercising our freedom! Practically, something like the Aquamacs distribubtion and the vast majority of software in general has started out of practical needs. That's what Linus Torvalds says about Linux. Aquamacs has thousands of "customers" who use it to do their jobs. They don't use it just because it's cool to have free software installed. I personally hated the way X deals with selection, the mouse, and copying&pasting. I hated the non-working font settings in Emacs. I disliked the fact that the window system isn't used to its potential. Practical needs. Of course, there's the other view, and that's what the GNU people here are putting forward. Developing software from an ideological starting point. That's fine, too. In the end, it's the combination of technical advantage and intellectual basis that makes things attractive.