From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: david.reitter@gmail.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Icon designer wanted (Aquamacs Emacs) Date: 5 Jan 2006 05:15:25 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <1136466925.401877.151800@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <54321A2A-3F36-4416-B473-49AC11FF057F@gmail.com> <853bk5gwa8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <792D87C1-B9A9-495E-9335-7139845D1CB0@gmail.com> <85fyo4zvei.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87sls47lvd.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> <85wthftsme.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <874q4jrvcg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1136476705 27866 80.91.229.2 (5 Jan 2006 15:58:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 05 16:58:24 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuXV1-00065r-Qm for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:58:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EuXWl-00076u-1P for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 10:59:47 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!news.glorb.com!postnews.google.com!f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 32 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.215.174.81 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1136466930 17223 127.0.0.1 (5 Jan 2006 13:15:30 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:15:30 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <874q4jrvcg.fsf@vh213602.truman.edu> User-Agent: G2/0.2 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/416.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/416.13,gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com; posting-host=129.215.174.81; posting-account=VxtxShIAAAAyATreB9RNYoFcRu4SpMFVEC9YFuAlbPn1KBMEY3FC1g Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:136828 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:32447 Archived-At: Jay Belanger: > For people who to whom the free software movement > is important, improvements to the Mac and/or Windows version which > cannot be folded back into the main version would not be a good thing, > it would seem. I don't think we disagree. But my thinking is that having free software with a high degree of usability at least on a partially proprietary system (such as Mac OS X) is better than having the less "lickable" interface at all, i.e. on no system. So the technique is to develop stuff on the partially proprietary system and port it to the ideologically less questionable free system. Of course, we'll do so in a way that doesn't preclude us from porting it back, even though we won't do all the work right now (e.g. legal business). Anything else has only been alledged by other participants in this discussion. How far people want to go with this port is their business. As long as I'm not getting paid for it, I said, hey, happy to do development work, happy to document sources, but not happy to push various people to sign certain contracts and not happy to accept technologically inferior solutions just because they aren't available for all operating systems yet. People draw the line at some point, and we all need to respect that. I've had a dozen people tell me in the past year that they can't contribute or can't contribute more because they don't have time. My initial collaborator had to bail out because he's got kids, wife, and a business and these things simply had priority. You have to accept that, say thanks for your help and your contribution, and move on. Reacting with hostility just because someone isn't willing to contribute further, or contribute all that the ideology behind the organization providing this mailing list requires will only make matters worse.