From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Andreas_R=C3=B6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Enhancing ELisp for AI Work Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2024 21:20:31 +0100 Message-ID: <112da2f7-eb5a-4112-9be0-29fa3d73045c@easy-emacs.de> References: <7290780.2375960.1734348492938.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <7290780.2375960.1734348492938@mail.yahoo.com> <6c53521e-4aa6-40d1-b4a5-0e00989ad201@easy-emacs.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14350"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 25 21:21:13 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tQXsW-0003ex-KI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 21:21:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQXs1-0002Wz-OY; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 15:20:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQXrz-0002Wi-JO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 15:20:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tQXrx-0002K3-Hx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 15:20:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.77.243] ([176.0.142.85]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MD9Kj-1tHzAB0wPh-00BdTL for ; Wed, 25 Dec 2024 21:20:34 +0100 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ldKEDIVc2PNmHNmQe1l3Lnf7kK4sx2zYLCHt2Vd3uXihv1J+uN7 88BRi1mn6vCNlT9hh4RwiW3BFUYcEJR8ocAPt1+Qsrw8sTRDer3esBL9W2JjvBwgyZz42/K +2ISvDdgnA8rFqr5OfFjx8WYXRvaS0deVJoUToX3WizEB9idmIe2VWPuLR/65C0PwuTq0ot LIgkx/p2OIVJhjgEFD+ZA== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:+BZ3jBcsJ74=;u5ep2nt+R4xtjtRHOKBTyGwbyhr FQcn2VYZZVdcnp6xAmX2kKexr1wslo9chJcR/EyPQvFNyJu15gVVz03coAegrbruDh+i18EMe 69xq3tHE3XqIFVPf5cBEzAHCNnlERUVEOKBNRwyQzPrNXXm0ABpRls/AFJkfOM2hS0Z31611F gCF3lxNCSAPZfo5OimQ+Wcah1abPO69mUFg0FgEJHVelfsAmU16XqQD4tBwr5u6TKKsaUK+EE ho3EEbolNEOCWUw1mxL+f0K/A2i1ZY1x8RDIZ7btb3E8dHPWdOyp9BGfuhJctVZNXsLFY3z+5 yzcETEBOxwdDy9SVJhHJegcu5XpvLfLmVnmn5rMJmPbqEIvk02NUtzIKQcut1kwLrrqY+rfC1 U2YqxJ5yKNMYSL8b4WUpVh53d+nb8YwybOao0s2MY8TQqRCop8px8a/fuSCF6DOiQWc8M5Hw1 Wzd5VVVQkkCCwiIxz/MPelOro0dKsRUCfK7g66AxjynxnytiX12fdM6BfT/m9OON68GauYXFX /ZRBFP+qdBWONbVgmbMiaN1Jxq2E1GTm11x7EXKRh5hjhEdOccPTuKpy2Y8xSeETVVs4SMCEA KbkZTwLNmKO2J/N6LiF1YV7wfUWeFTu80Ufdqoft7eTXQrabd6Tu43d6EAT0mu0UJn66p3y1S cNNyWJxXAvQpPzUQreco0muvjmRRmk/4VVokNvu4ZtYy8A8eXSIMZApLX/mBw0RWdI5dJF57W 5o/TY3vcQfoVAZcU6sQDYxGMBQCTLpwyx4fquNZEWkT3kPB+BV+zW3/6lV1MFeVcYuDMehKH Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.126.187; envelope-from=andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:148979 Archived-At: Hi all, maybe let's forget ChatGPT in its current state, but refer to this phrase: '''A probabilit text generator is bullshit generator. It cares zero of the truth, it is program. Far from the real "intelligence".''' IMO that's wrong from the human as from the machine side. Human consider themself as intelligent. But how to proof that? Humans can count. Really? If yes, why the first element of an index in famous programming languages is designated as Zero instead of One? OTOH machines, asked: '''in french: "inversion accusatoire"''' Response was: '''La "inversion accusatoire" en français est appelée "passif" ou "inversion de sujet" en grammaire. En Odoo, l'inversion accusatoire se réfère à l'ordre des mots dans une phrase qui est inversé par rapport à la règle générale. En français, la règle générale est que le sujet de la phrase doit être mis en premier, suivie du verbe et ensuite de l'objet. Exemple de phrase normale : Le client achète un produit. Inversion accusatoire : Un produit achète le client. En Odoo, l'inversion accusatoire est utilisée pour formatter les informations dans les rapports ou les vues, par exemple, pour définir l'ordre des champs dans une formulaire. J'espère que cela vous a aidé !''' Obviously the context assumed by the LLM was false. But none was delivered. Inside the false context, the conclusion is quite interesting. Because ‘achetere’ -- buying -- wasn't mentioned at all. In an abstract view, the reasoning might well have sense. There are other remarks in this response, which indicate the model was able to abstract over the matter.