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From: "rgb" <rbielaws@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Mis-features of let
Date: 19 Apr 2005 18:04:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1113959080.090388.307740@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 85sm1mh1f6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz

> > and use of functions such as fset and put have undefined results
> > (which I showed in my examples).
>
> No, you didn't.  You uninterned the symbol, after which it was no
> longer available under the name 'foo.
>
> But if you had done (setq woozle 'foo) before uninterning it,
> woozle would have continued to be a perfectly valid handle to the
> symbol, even though 'foo no longer was able to access it.

After all the coding I've done I had no idea my understanding of
what was going on was so fundamentally flawed.  It's easy to
pinpoint just where this missunderstanding stems from though.

Elisp reference:

8. Symbols

  A symbol is an object with a unique name.

8.3 Creating and Interning Symbols

  To understand how symbols are created in GNU Emacs Lisp, you must
  know how Lisp reads them.  Lisp must ensure that it finds the same
  symbol every time it reads the same set of characters.  Failure to
  do so would cause complete confusion.

I was under the impression that let must be creating a symbol with
the name I specified if one didn't already exist.  Many tests seemed
to confirm this view but some did not, triggering this dialog.

What you appear to be saying is that

1. symbols do not have unique names they have unique handles.

2. the lisp reader won't necessarily find the same symbol every
   time.  It will find whatever symbol is interned in the global
   obarray with a name equal to the name being read at the time.
   So, although it almost always is the same, nothing actually
   ensures it is the same.

Hopefully there are no more such flaws in my understanding.

I appreciate all the patience, and more importantly, persistance
in getting me straightened out.

Thanks

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-20  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-18 12:56 Defadvice use Matthias
2005-04-18 17:11 ` rgb
2005-04-18 17:25   ` Johan Bockgård
2005-04-18 19:05     ` rgb
2005-04-18 19:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19  0:15         ` rgb
2005-04-19  0:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19  3:48             ` Mis-features of let (was Defadvice use) rgb
2005-04-19  4:31               ` Mis-features of let Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19  6:38                 ` rgb
2005-04-19 12:21                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-19 20:31                     ` rgb
2005-04-19 21:45                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-19 12:55                   ` Barry Margolin
2005-04-19 20:31                     ` rgb
2005-04-20  4:12                       ` Barry Margolin
2005-04-19 21:10                     ` rgb
2005-04-19 21:57                       ` Kevin Rodgers
2005-04-19 22:00                       ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20  1:04                         ` rgb [this message]
2005-04-20 10:04                           ` David Kastrup
2005-04-20 11:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-20 14:41                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-04-19  9:41               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-04-19  5:07           ` Defadvice use Barry Margolin
2005-04-18 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-18 21:07   ` Matthias
2005-04-18 23:20     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-18 20:28 ` Kevin Rodgers

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